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Thread: The Impeachment of President Trump

  1. #241
    This man is trash:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  2. #242
    I can feel the depletion of brain cells just listening to that incoherent rambling.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Are you saying pressuring a foreign leader to undertake a corruption investigation is the same as starting a war?

    Also why was his hair worse back then?

    Meanwhile, in Blast From the Past Town...

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.) speaking at a House Judiciary Committee hearing Dec. 10, 1998:

    The effect of impeachment is to overturn the popular will of the voters as expressed in a national election. We must not overturn an election and remove a president from office except to defend our very system of government or our constitutional liberties against a dire threat. And we must not do so without an overwhelming consensus of the American people and of their representatives in Congress of the absolute necessity.

    There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions.

    The American people have heard all the allegations against the president, and they overwhelmingly oppose impeaching him. The people elected the president, they still support him. We have no right to overturn the considered judgment of the American people. There are clearly some members of the Republican majority who have never accepted the results of the 1992 or 1996 elections and who apparently have chosen to ignore the message of last month’s election. But in a democracy, it is the people who rule, not political elites, and certainly not those members of political elites who will not be here in the next election and the next Congress having been repudiated at the polls. Some members of this committee may think the people have chosen badly; but it is the people’s choice and we must respect it absent the fundamental threat to our democratic form of government that would justify overturning the repeated expression of the people’s will at the ballot box.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable...nt-11576713857

  4. #244
    You didn't read the whole article, did you.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  5. #245
    Is there a statute of limitation on getting articles of impeachment to the senate?
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  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Is there a statute of limitation on getting articles of impeachment to the senate?
    Constitutionally, the House voting on impeachment means he's been impeached and the Senate has sole responsibility for running a trial. There's no requirement that the House "transmit" this vote; the vote is the impeachment. The Senate established internal rules for having an impeachment manager from the House but those rules can be overturned.

    Pelosi and Schumer seem convinced they can turn this into an overwrought censure vote and then maybe delay until closer to the election.

  7. #247
    It becomes increasingly clear that the Democrats are doing this only for 2020 election purposes. They know removal isn't going to happen. If Trump wins re-election it will be such sweet irony that Pelosi did it by pushing forward with this impeachment nonsense.

  8. #248
    So the house can hold off until after the election. Then, if Trump is reelected and dems make gains in the senate, the house can pass the articles of impeachment to the senate. Brilliant!
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    So the house can hold off until after the election. Then, if Trump is reelected and dems make gains in the senate, the house can pass the articles of impeachment to the senate. Brilliant!
    1. You can always be impeached twice so there really is no need to hold off.

    2. Even if Dems win the senate they aren't going to get 2/3rds.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Is there a statute of limitation on getting articles of impeachment to the senate?
    Yes, whatever the Senate cares to say it is. More practically, I don't think there's generally carry-over from one Congress to the next for issues submitted for consideration by the other house but I could be wrong on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    It becomes increasingly clear that the Democrats are doing this only for 2020 election purposes. They know removal isn't going to happen. If Trump wins re-election it will be such sweet irony that Pelosi did it by pushing forward with this impeachment nonsense.
    No, they did it because they were thoroughly outraged by Trump and could not hold themselves back from doing it even though it was probably going to hurt them a bit in 2020. Having gone ahead and done it, they may be trying to manage things to mitigate how much damage it does to them though.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I know - can you imagine a solid majority that regularly insists that the 1st and 2nd amendment rights be protected? Crazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    If Trump wins re-election it will be such sweet irony that Pelosi did it by pushing forward with this impeachment nonsense.
    The impeachment clause was written into the constitution and predates any amendments.

  12. #252
    Patience is a virtue:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  13. #253
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  14. #254
    Federal watchdog finds OMB violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

    "Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA."

    — GAO report

    https://www.axios.com/gao-decision-omb-trump-ukraine-aid-2aab62ea-2e50-4301-bae7-afa5a88282ee.html


    https://budget.house.gov/publication...does-it-matter

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