Pure racism aside, they're afraid of black people and regulations allow them to go Rambo on anyone they feel threatened by.Originally Posted by Hazir
By the way, I don't think black police officers are actually any less likely to shoot black people than are white police officers. A lot of it departmental and institutional culture.
Last edited by Loki; 10-14-2019 at 01:55 AM.
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More white folks are killed by police than black folks - and before Loki bleats about population, black folks have the equivalent % of murder tallies as white folks. Furthermore studies have been shown that white vs. black cops don't have a difference so personal racism is very unlikely to be a factor on the macro level.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/74573...minority-suspe
"The race of a police officer did not predict the race of the citizen shot. In other words, black officers were just as likely to shoot black citizens as white officers were."
So because African Americans commit more murders, an incredibly rare event, the police is justified in being more trigger happy around all African Americans, Lewk? The rate of being shot by the police is several times higher for African Americans
Let's be honest: you would be frothing from the mouth if an African American killed a white person under similar circumstances.
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Not justified in being trigger happy - but it makes sense on why cops would be more likely to pull the trigger. The suspects for the most violent crimes are more likely to be black than the population would suggest. Unless you want to take the laughable notion that *black cops* are racist against black suspects there really isn't another good way to explain the data w/o pretzel logic.
And this is very clearly a colossal fuck up. One that should see the cop in prison for at least manslaughter. I have no doubt it was mistake but the utter incompetence and total failure in good judgement demands redress. I view it similarly to if a suspect fled on foot and went on the sidewalk and the police car bull dozed civilians to try to clip the running suspect. You don't do that, and if you do you are responsible for the loss of life.
And how many white people get killed by the police while sitting in their own home and gaming?
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This is an old discussion. Lewk and RB have difficulties understanding that black people being statistically more likely than white people to kill someone has no relevance to the question of whether or not it's appropriate for police to be more twitchy in an encounter with a black person. Statistically, in any given encounter between a cop and a black person, the cop is more dangerous, and more likely to kill, just as is the case in encounters between cops and people going through some sort of mental health crisis. Innocent black people are much more likely to end up in unnecessary encounters with cops, and, in any such encounter, are much more likely to be subjected to unjustified and excessive force. You'll also note Lewk's characteristic response to cases that are difficult to spin: shrug and call for punishment without showing even the slightest inclination to address root causes, eg. in this case poorly trained trigger-happy cops shaped in an institution that legitimizes racist violence. Of course it's possible for institutional violence to be racist even when it's implemented by black cops—the fallacious reasoning people like Lewk and RB use to explain/justify twitchy cops has an inherent racial bias.
An especially sad aspect of this case is that the cops were only there because a neighbor was worried and requested a wellness check. Some people in the US have not realized that you're subjecting your neighbor to a risk of injury or even death when you do something to bring cops to their home. See also regular cases of cops killing people after being called to help with mental health crises. Striking difference between American cops and cops pretty much anywhere else in the west.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Maybe someone should explain to white Americans that racism wasn't ended when they made the word nigger taboo.
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I've said in the past that I've some sympathy for American police officers panicking in the dark at night on the streets when someone has something in their hands etc people aren't infallible and America is so f**ked up with the prevalence of guns and murder that mistakes will happen. The solution is to try and drop the murder rate down from virtually third world to first world levels, remove the second amendment and get the guns off the streets.
Shooting someone dead through a window in their own home - no, that's murder. Pure and simple it is murder. I simply don't see a way for that officer to have been justifiably afraid of their life to pull the trigger just because there was someone moving behind a window.
She refused to follow a direct order to put her hands up. If black people don't want to get shot by cops, they shouldn't disobey direct orders. It's for their own safety. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Black people should teach these basic life skills to their kids, but obviously they can't--most of them are brought up in broken families because half of them are in prison because Democrats have taught them that it's okay to steal what other people have earned through hard work because everything is caused by racism so it's not their fault if their lives are shit.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
And otherwise it's some uppity nigger shit to expect to be safe in your own bedroom when the police decided on a stealthy operation for no good reason. Aspire to anything more than half an acre and a mule and you're a mortal threat no upstanding white should have to put up with.
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Police version of Leave No Child Behind. https://www.yahoo.com/news/nephew-8-...135607059.html
Waiting for outrage from the NRA folks. Apparently having a gun in your own home is grounds for the police to shoot you from the outside.
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I wonder if Lewkowski, seeing no color as he typically claims not to, would have cheered ms Jefferson if she'd simply blown a hole in the head of this trespassing excuse for a human being.
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Great, I just read he's going to be charged with murder.
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Do you want an essay about the dangers of public sector unions like the Police Union every time a bad cop kills? I find it doubtful you'd appreciate that.
It's not unions who keep these people employed. It's people like you (whether in terms of public opinion or as members of a jury) that always take the cop's side. You create a strong incentive for cops to shoot first, ask questions later.
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Imagine if the 8 yr old was the one looking out the window (to see who was prowling around) and been shot and killed. By a cop. Doing a wellness check.
Implicit Bias is a real thing. It turned a 'broken windows' and 'stop and frisk' approach to policing (which sounds like being pro-active) into racial profiling. Because it's taught to *black cops* makes it an institutional/system-wide failure.
WTF is wrong with you?I view it similarly to if a suspect fled on foot and went on the sidewalk and the police car bull dozed civilians to try to clip the running suspect.
You really can't be this dumb.
Did you know a big chunk of police shootings occur in cities where the mayor is a minority? The people who keep them employed are cities and counties and most of the shootings occur in Democratic leaning municipalities so... yeah lets talk about who keeps them employed.
Most cops vote republican. Most mayoral elections have abysmal turnouts but are dominated by voters that are much more likely to be republican. Ditto for DA elections. A mayor or DA that is too tough on trigger-happy cops risks being punished by republican cops. Republican voters have the most favorable views of cops. So yeah Republicans keep these people employed.Did you know a big chunk of police shootings occur in cities where the mayor is a minority? The people who keep them employed are cities and counties and most of the shootings occur in Democratic leaning municipalities so... yeah lets talk about who keeps them employed.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Do we see how Lewkowski is defending a trespasser who killed a woman in her own home?
And how he tries to do it by throwing some information at us that is completely irrelevant?
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Nothing has any real meaning; there is only the culture war against the liberal enemy.
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Have you lost the ability to read?
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