"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If you're a Tory Leaver, I think voting Brexit party is a great move. Especially if you're in a marginal Tory/Lab or Tory/Lib constituency (or else it's just a symbolic gesture).
Randblade, you should vote for the Brexit party again. That was a really smart move last time and it could work again. The Tories are only pursuing the line they are now because their electoral position is so fragile. If they come back with a large majority, where's the incentive for them to really push for Brexit? They could spin it out indefinitely. We could still be doing Brexit by the time your grandchildren are old enough to vote.
Johnson already broke his promise in leave on the 31st come hell or high water, and he could do so again. He needs to be disciplined.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Can you imagine how upset Brexiteers would be if May pulled her deal away from parliament after it had been voted for a second reading?
Brexit blocking stuff at its finest. The treacherous remoaner mutineer.
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He's moderate to the extent that he has no ideology or morals and will do or say absolutely anything to get in power or stay there. The man is an imbecile and a pathological liar. He'll happily watch his country burn if it serves his personal interests. He's pissed off his own family members, who, unlike Boris, actually have a solid reputation. He is corrupt, uninterested in following the law, and is generally an awful human being. If you think that represents the Conservative Party, that says more about the Conservative Parry that it does about Johnson's moderation.
Hope is the denial of reality
He's none of that, but you hate him because he's winning and not on your side.
He is bursting with energy and utterly focused. Just look at the discipline of his leadership campaign. It looks like he might manage to pull off a GE win (after 9 years of austere Tory Govt) that would objectively be a hell of an achievement. If he delivers Brexit then he will be the most consequential PM since Thatcher. If you add to that two times winner of the London mayoralty, the man who won the Brexit referendum, then you have the most successful electoral track record since Blair (at least).
That's not a bad record so far - even if he does blow up at some point in the future. (But don't count on it.)
Just to be clear, Loki accused him of being a liar—which he demonstrably is—and of pissing off his family—which he appears to have done—and of being corrupt—which, in light of the Arcuri matter, is arguably the case—and of being an awful person—which, considering what he permitted during his stint at The Spectator, and his more recent remarks about black people and women in burkas, is a fair charge—yet your cultist instinct makes you say he's literally none of those things. He is undoubtedly—famously!—a liar. You have totally lost all semblance of integrity.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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Delivering Brexit is something that the cat of number 10 could have done, so your standard for 'consequential PM' is rather low. It eludes me why you think that getting a worse deal than May is proof of anything positive about the man.
Sad that you are still members tomorrow.
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I'm still waiting for the riots and explosions we were supposedly going to get from the passionately angry public: furious at the mutinous remainer parliament.
Wait till they get hangry
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
When you know your audience
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Who said that?
Edit; don't worry it's all over Twitter. Rod Liddle. Odious man.
Well according to JCM today will be the end of the Tory party. So yes, let's see.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Using the Trumpian strategy of deflecting through ad hominem? Every thing I said is demonstrably true. FYI (and this is undoubtedly supported by my posts here), my views align fairly well with the pre-2016 Conservative Party. I didn't become any more left wing. Your Conservative Party decided to abandon pragmatic liberal conservatism in favor of a corrupt nationalism. Any party that would debase itself by appointing Boris Johnson as its leader (by a huge margin no less) is a not party that deserves anyone's respect. Ditto for Labour and Corbyn, but Corbyn has no shot at getting a majority.
Hope is the denial of reality
The only reason we are still in the EU is that Parliament voted to extend Article 50 in March, April and October. Neither the ERG nor the PM ever voted to extend on any of those 3 occasions. Remainer May voted to extend in March and April and the Remainers opposite in Parliament who scream about the dangers of no deal have rejected every deal the EU has negotiated with us - which is funny, because apparently we would unquestioningly accept all EU laws in future without having a say in that if we remain in the EU even if the laws have been passed by QMV against our wishes - but to accept these agreements the EU have reached is apparently unacceptable. If these rules the EU have agreed are not acceptable then remaining in the EU should itself be unacceptable too - if we should remain in the EU and unquestioningly accept EU rules then why not accept this agreement which the EU have agreed?
That's not the only reason week still in the EU, as I've outlined above.
And we can't accept the deal now because the PM has pulled it.
Interesting to see this Trumpian use of labels alongside names. "Remainer May" is less informative than "Habitual Liar Johnson".
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Brexit Party launching their campaign today. They are clearly out to damage and attack the Tory party.
Farage says Johnson's deal isn't Brexit, they will stand in every single seat, and that Johnson's deal is so closely aligned to the EU he has no doubt there would be a campaign to remain which would win.
Very interesting.