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    Default UK General Election 12 December

    It's on.

    So Friday 13th we will know who is to be our PM going forwards: Johnson or Corbyn.

    I'm 100% definitely backing the Conservatives. Corbyn is an actual Marxist and a real danger to the country unlike Brexit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Rock and a hard place.

    Frying pan into the fire.

    Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dum. Not much of a choice really is it - the lying shitstain Brexiteer clown or the Jew-hating Commie.

    Voting for Jo Swinson becomes an easy choice.
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    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Two of the worst possibly people to lead our country await.

    On one hand we have a serial liar. A man with no principles or credibility; who bounces between positions on a monthly basis and will do or say anything to advance is career. The lowest bar held by any PM I can think of. A man who I believe most definitely does not believe that Brexit is a good idea. A man I'm convinced would cripple the economy by over spending just so he could say he actually achieved something (for the first time...)

    On the other a man who lacks behind even Boris Johnson in basic leadership skills. A man who can't even bring himself to tell us what his position is on Brexit and who have been flip-flopping for so long on the issue I literally don't care what they decide to do now.

    What a treat.

    I could never vote for a Tory party led by Johnson. Even so, it'll be a long time until I consider voting Tory again.

    I won't be voting for Corbyn.

    Jo Swinson is not PM material; but given that I'm still yet to be persuaded that the benefit of Brexit outweighs the cost (and I don't give a monkey about the intangibles of Brexit like "identity" or "sovereignty"), I'll be voting Lib Dems. I want a strong remain presence in parliament to ensure that we leave the EU in a manner I find acceptable, and keeps the UK in tact.

    At least that's my position on Brexit. Manifestos may change things.

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    My ideal scenario would be a Labour collapse as people see through Corbyn, Tory landslide majority with LDs surging to displace Labour and Swinson becomes Leader of the Opposition.

    If she does, I do think Swinson could be a future Prime Minister.
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    Jo Swinson is not PM material compared to Johnson but she could be with more experience. She has miles more potential to be PM material than the antisemite in chief.

    I hope to gosh that anyone on the right votes Tory and anyone of the left votes Lib Dems. I don't like her but Swinson is decent in a way Corbyn just is not. The LDs are decent in the way Labour is not. I'd love to see the LDs displace Corbyn's Labour on the left, the Tories can't be in power forever and when we lose, as we will, I'd rather lose to the LDs than Labour. The Tories and LDs are opposite sides of the left/right and Brexit/Remain divide but both are decent parties. BXP and Corbyn's Labour are not.

    PS if you think that Boris really doesn't believe in Brexit then ideal situation should be a large Tory majority. If the Tories have a tiny majority, or worse a minority, then Boris will be in hock to the ERG in the same way May was torn asunder by them. If Boris wins a healthy majority he can deliver the form of Brexit he wants rather than what the extremists want, which will be an FTA Brexit I'm sure as Boris is not a No Dealer. The smaller the majority the more the risk of an accidental No Deal.
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    I don't want Labour to be trashed. Corbyn will resign after the next election so I'm confident a more sensible Labour will return soon.

    I'd rather the Tories suffer heavy defeats. It'll make them re-evaluate their approach and realise that the public no longer support Brexit. That's my hope at least.

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    You can't have both.

    If the Tories suffer heavy defeats then Corbyn won't be resigning, he'll be Prime Minister. Do you want that?

    If the Tories have even moderate losses then Corbyn will be PM. The arithmetic doesn't work any other way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You can't have both.

    If the Tories suffer heavy defeats then Corbyn won't be resigning, he'll be Prime Minister. Do you want that?

    If the Tories have even moderate losses then Corbyn will be PM. The arithmetic doesn't work any other way.
    Then I'd rather a Corbyn PM and an annihilated Tory party.

    I dislike Corbyn, but I despise Johnson, Raab, Davies, JRM, Redwood, Gove, Cummings and the ERG. I despise their arrogance and incompetence. I despise their ridiculous slogans (aka lies) and I despise their hypocrisy.

    And remember, I still consider the 2016 to be illegitimate. Vote Leave, led by our PM, broke the law and as far as I'm concerned it's scandal that we even triggered Article 50. Our PM, Gove and anyone associated with Vote Leave broke a major pledge by voting to trigger Article 50 without having a trade agreement in place first, and I will never forgive them for that.

    You may be able to accept and look past law breaking, lies and incompetence on that scale; but I won't. Fuck them. They all deserve to be deselected and cast into irrelevance.

    Maybe I will vote Corbyn after all.

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    A Labour Party that wins a plurality but not a majority of the seats might have no choice but to dump Corbyn as a precondition for a coalition. Not that Labour under Corbyn is going to do that well.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Brexit has really driven you round the bend, I hope once it's over and done with this bitterness can go away and we can come back together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Brexit has really driven you round the bend, I hope once it's over and done with this bitterness can go away and we can come back together.
    I see that you are believing the fantasy of delivering Brexit by merely ending your membership of the EU. The reality is that this does not get Brexit done. It merely starts it. Brexit will be with you for the next decade at least.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    That we can agree on.

    Edit: Although don't imply that I'm mad/crazy. I'm not. I'm angry and I want justice, and it's entirely justified.

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    Voting Labour for the first time since the 90s. Fuck the Tories.
    Why do we build the wall, my children, my children? We build the wall to keep us free.
    How does the wall keep us free, my children, my children? The wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    Who do we call the enemy, my children, my children? The enemy is poverty. And the wall keeps out the enemy. And we build the wall to keep us free.
    That's why we build the wall. We build the wall to keep us free. Because we have and they have not, my children, my my children. Because they want what we have got.
    What do we have that they should want, my children, my children? We have a wall to work upon. We have work and they have none. And our work is never done. And the war is never won.
    The enemy is poverty, the wall keeps out the enemy, and we build the wall to keep us free. That's why we build the wall, we build the wall to keep us free.

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    I'd recommend voting for whoever has the highest chance of beating the Tories in your specific constituency. The Tories are on pace for a majority on 35% of the vote.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'd recommend voting for whoever has the highest chance of beating the Tories in your specific constituency.
    Nobody can defeat the Tories like the Tories can
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'd recommend voting for whoever has the highest chance of beating the Tories in your specific constituency. The Tories are on pace for a majority on 35% of the vote.
    Like Labour in 2005?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    And? I'm not blaming the Tories.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    But you want them replacing with Corbyn in charge?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    But you want them replacing with Corbyn in charge?
    You seemed surprised and shocked that people might choose Corbyn over Johnson.

    Why?

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    Johnson is a moderate centre-right Conservative similar to David Cameron.

    Corbyn is a the most extreme leader of the Labour Party at least since Foot if not ever. He's also an antisemitic racist. I view Corbyn as no different to Trump, utterly unfit for office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    In news that will shift next to no votes and literally no seats at the election UKIP's newly elected 8th leader since the referendum Richard Braine has resigned. UKIP will now be looking for their 9th leader since the referendum, see who can follow the last Dick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Does it surprise you that people like myself, who have voted Tory all their life, despise Johnson and the current Tory party?

    Maybe "surprise" isn't right. Can you recognise why he's so disliked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    Does it surprise you that people like myself, who have voted Tory all their life, despise Johnson and the current Tory party?

    Maybe "surprise" isn't right. Can you recognise why he's so disliked?
    No. He's a Brexiteer but so is a majority of the country and about two thirds of Tories.

    Besides Brexit he's a very moderate modern Tory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No. He's a Brexiteer but so is a majority of the country and about two thirds of Tories.

    Besides Brexit he's a very moderate modern Tory.
    We don't know if the majority of the country are Brexiteers. Only 17m are. Sorry, were. Many of those will be dead now.

    Plus the recent poll of polls since the referendum show a clear sign of regret in voting to leave and majority for remain.

    Does the lying account for nothing to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No. He's a Brexiteer but so is a majority of the country and about two thirds of Tories.

    Besides Brexit he's a very moderate modern Tory.
    He's moderate to the extent that he has no ideology or morals and will do or say absolutely anything to get in power or stay there. The man is an imbecile and a pathological liar. He'll happily watch his country burn if it serves his personal interests. He's pissed off his own family members, who, unlike Boris, actually have a solid reputation. He is corrupt, uninterested in following the law, and is generally an awful human being. If you think that represents the Conservative Party, that says more about the Conservative Parry that it does about Johnson's moderation.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He's moderate to the extent that he has no ideology or morals and will do or say absolutely anything to get in power or stay there. The man is an imbecile and a pathological liar. He'll happily watch his country burn if it serves his personal interests. He's pissed off his own family members, who, unlike Boris, actually have a solid reputation. He is corrupt, uninterested in following the law, and is generally an awful human being. If you think that represents the Conservative Party, that says more about the Conservative Parry that it does about Johnson's moderation.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He's moderate to the extent that he has no ideology or morals and will do or say absolutely anything to get in power or stay there. The man is an imbecile and a pathological liar. He'll happily watch his country burn if it serves his personal interests. He's pissed off his own family members, who, unlike Boris, actually have a solid reputation. He is corrupt, uninterested in following the law, and is generally an awful human being. If you think that represents the Conservative Party, that says more about the Conservative Parry that it does about Johnson's moderation.
    He's none of that, but you hate him because he's winning and not on your side.

    He is bursting with energy and utterly focused. Just look at the discipline of his leadership campaign. It looks like he might manage to pull off a GE win (after 9 years of austere Tory Govt) that would objectively be a hell of an achievement. If he delivers Brexit then he will be the most consequential PM since Thatcher. If you add to that two times winner of the London mayoralty, the man who won the Brexit referendum, then you have the most successful electoral track record since Blair (at least).

    That's not a bad record so far - even if he does blow up at some point in the future. (But don't count on it.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    He's none of that, but you hate him because he's winning and not on your side.

    He is bursting with energy and utterly focused. Just look at the discipline of his leadership campaign. It looks like he might manage to pull off a GE win (after 9 years of austere Tory Govt) that would objectively be a hell of an achievement. If he delivers Brexit then he will be the most consequential PM since Thatcher. If you add to that two times winner of the London mayoralty, the man who won the Brexit referendum, then you have the most successful electoral track record since Blair (at least).

    That's not a bad record so far - even if he does blow up at some point in the future. (But don't count on it.)
    None of that refutes Loki's points. And I seriously doubt Loki hates him because he's not "on his side". That's quite possibly the weakest argument you could have used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    He's none of that, but you hate him because he's winning and not on your side.

    He is bursting with energy and utterly focused. Just look at the discipline of his leadership campaign. It looks like he might manage to pull off a GE win (after 9 years of austere Tory Govt) that would objectively be a hell of an achievement. If he delivers Brexit then he will be the most consequential PM since Thatcher. If you add to that two times winner of the London mayoralty, the man who won the Brexit referendum, then you have the most successful electoral track record since Blair (at least).

    That's not a bad record so far - even if he does blow up at some point in the future. (But don't count on it.)
    He's a liar who lies on camera. That's the character of the irredeemable chancer you're defending with such ardor.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    He's none of that, but you hate him because he's winning and not on your side.

    He is bursting with energy and utterly focused. Just look at the discipline of his leadership campaign. It looks like he might manage to pull off a GE win (after 9 years of austere Tory Govt) that would objectively be a hell of an achievement. If he delivers Brexit then he will be the most consequential PM since Thatcher. If you add to that two times winner of the London mayoralty, the man who won the Brexit referendum, then you have the most successful electoral track record since Blair (at least).

    That's not a bad record so far - even if he does blow up at some point in the future. (But don't count on it.)
    Using the Trumpian strategy of deflecting through ad hominem? Every thing I said is demonstrably true. FYI (and this is undoubtedly supported by my posts here), my views align fairly well with the pre-2016 Conservative Party. I didn't become any more left wing. Your Conservative Party decided to abandon pragmatic liberal conservatism in favor of a corrupt nationalism. Any party that would debase itself by appointing Boris Johnson as its leader (by a huge margin no less) is a not party that deserves anyone's respect. Ditto for Labour and Corbyn, but Corbyn has no shot at getting a majority.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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