2020 US Presidential election

[GGT]

People should pay more attention to what's happening with the USPS and mail-in voting! grrrr

[RandBlade]

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Constitution says no.

[Flixy]

What's the difference with absentee voting?

[gogobongopop]

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Constitution says no.

That's incredible. Surely only a tiny % of Americans will fall for this............right?

[Timbuk2]

He's making excuses for his impending re-election failure already?

If not, then he will be calling his own re-election the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election (sic) in history.

[RandBlade]

RIP Herman Cain.

Caught COVID at Trump's Tulsa rally. Died in hospital due to COVID.

[gogobongopop]

He's making excuses for his impending re-election failure already?

If not, then he will be calling his own re-election the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election (sic) in history.

It's mind boggling.

Also, if the system hasn't changed on his watch then surely the same applies to the 2016 election. But if the system has changed it happened on his watch.

Surely somebody explained all this to him before he had quite possibly his most monumental brain fart yet.

[RandBlade]

Its changed on his watch but not under his control. Because of COVID19 record amounts of people are registering to vote with postal ballots, despite the GOP wanting to restrict postal ballots and suppress voting.

He's getting his excuses in early. He knows he's going to lose.

[gogobongopop]

It's not within his control to address any(?) concerns he has with postal voting?

[EyeKhan]

It's not within his control to address any(?) concerns he has with postal voting?

His *actual* concern with postal voting is that, on balance, many Democrats will use it who would not otherwise vote. Republicans have been working very hard over the last 20 years or so to make it harder to vote, especially for demographics that vote for Democrats. Mail in voting means more votes for Trump's opponent, so he attacks it, completing making up the story about widespread fraud. That's all he cares about. Period.

Likely he's also setting up for a gambit to refuse to accept the election results and steal another term. I think its almost a guarantee that he will try - no idea what happens when he does.

[gogobongopop]

Sounds like a complete clusterfuck is on its way.

[Steely Glint]

November's gonna be wild.

[Aimless]

Please enjoy this perfectly aged bottle of whine:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d-know-better/

[Aimless]

He's making excuses for his impending re-election failure already?

If not, then he will be calling his own re-election the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election (sic) in history.

Trumpist politics is very asymmetrical. The strategy he's using will undermine an upcoming Biden presidency, but will have no impact on Trump if he gets a second term. There will be a lot of "Twitter? I don't even know what that IS! Nobody knows what Twitter is!" in Congress today.

[RandBlade]

We were always at war with Eastasia Germany.

Not content with rewriting history of the last few years, America's government is now inventing wars in the 1980s. I don't remember there being a war in Germany in the 1980s, but apparently Mike Pompeo fought there.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-live-updates
“This is personal for me. I fought on the border of East Germany when I was a young soldier I was stationed there.”

[LittleFuzzy]

What's the difference with absentee voting?

The GOP is convinced the Dems will use it for fraud that the GOP can't catch. And they KNOW that it bypasses most-to-all of their vote-suppression efforts.

[Aimless]

Every GOP legislator today:

[Lewkowski]

The GOP is convinced the Dems will use it for fraud that the GOP can't catch. And they KNOW that it bypasses most-to-all of their vote-suppression efforts.

There is already a process in place for absentee voting. What the admin is wanting to prevent is mass mailing of ballots to everyone.

[Hazir]

Can someone confirm that, when not re-elected, Trump will cease to be POTUS on the 21st of January, 2021?

[Aimless]

There is already a process in place for absentee voting. What the admin is wanting to prevent is mass mailing of ballots to everyone.

There is no excuse for trying to prevent that, given the pandemic. You're not making the admin look better, you're making it look worse. And you're ofc also conveniently sidestepping the fact that what the admin really did was try to build pressure to postpone the election, and is now busy undermining the USPS in order to obstruct voters.

[RandBlade]

Can someone confirm that, when not re-elected, Trump will cease to be POTUS on the 21st of January, 2021?

20th I thought?

Inauguration Day is locked in stone and Congress can't change it. It's set by the 20th Amendment so it would need a constitutional amendment to change it.

[Aimless]

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[RandBlade]

Its not in the DoJ's purview.

I wish we had new style emojis in this site rather than vBulletin's ones. Need the facepalm one for everything this administration says.

[Aimless]

Its not in the DoJ's purview.

Are YOU a Harvard-trained law-genius?

[RandBlade]

I am not.

[LittleFuzzy]

Are YOU a Harvard-trained law-genius?

To make the determination? He's right, it's not. That's up to the state (in some cases county) boards and the courts. The timing is written into the Constitution. The state/county boards are the ones doing the actual implementing so the actual decision-making is theirs*, and the only ones that can actually overrule them are the courts. The Justice Dept. can try and convince the courts to do so. But so can private citizens.

*depending on how things are set up they may be under the governor's orders directly or they may be semi-independent offices in which case changes have to be a matter of correctly implemented changes in state law or state constitutions

[Aimless]

To make the determination? He's right, it's not. That's up to the state (in some cases county) boards and the courts. The timing is written into the Constitution. The state/county boards are the ones doing the actual implementing so the actual decision-making is theirs*, and the only ones that can actually overrule them are the courts. The Justice Dept. can try and convince the courts to do so. But so can private citizens.

*depending on how things are set up they may be under the governor's orders directly or they may be semi-independent offices in which case changes have to be a matter of correctly implemented changes in state law or state constitutions

You realize, of course, that I was joking.

[LittleFuzzy]

You realize, of course, that I was joking.

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2...odax-imperiate

[EyeKhan]

There is no excuse for trying to prevent that, given the pandemic. You're not making the admin look better, you're making it look worse. And you're ofc also conveniently sidestepping the fact that what the admin really did was try to build pressure to postpone the election, and is now busy undermining the USPS in order to obstruct voters.

Popular theory is Trump threw the election delay grenade to distract discussion away from the catastrophic economic data reported yesterday.

He knows the election can't and won't be postponed, but the more he complains about it (illegal immigrants voting, mail-in voter fraud, now should have been delayed since covid-caused voter suppression makes it illegitimate...), the more seeds he believes he is planting in the event he decides to declare a loss as fraudulent.

If the election is close, especially in several swing states, he will challenge it for sure. But if it's a landslide, he'll likely say it was driven by voter fraud. Question is what happens next when he does that - what if Republican state legislatures and governors refuse to certify election results until a fraud investigation is conducted? What if the justice department announces a sweeping fraud investigation that will take months to complete? What if the Senate starts holding extended fraud hearings? What if Trump declares himself winner and announces HE will be inaugurated on January whatever, and not Biden? What if Biden sues and the Supreme Court sides with the Republicans?

EDIT: None of this seems far-fetched to me, given what we've seen out of Trump and the vast majority of the Republican party in the last 4 years. Fuzzy, care to talk me down?

[Loki]

What if the justice department announces a sweeping fraud investigation that will take months to complete?

Assuming the Supreme Court refuses to stop this, Pelosi would become president if there is no official result by Jan. 21.