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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    So one political gathering is cool but another is not? Does it simply matter if you agree with the people gathering? I'm sure Covid really cares about the crowds politics.
    No you sad fucking tool, there is a distinction between an unofficial leaderless movement protesting injustice and a corrupt and pathetic leader packing people together on govt. property for a self-serving political event. That is what the part about taking the presidency seriously is about; the president is responsible for his actions and his leadership. That he used the event to spout bunch of crazy nonsense and lies, embarrassing himself even more than usual, also shows how much he's debased the presidency. See, because you're a cretin with no character, you can't understand how this is a total failure of leadership; you're just fixating on your usual asinine culture war bullshit like a dumb child.

    If Trump had used the WH for an event where he livestreamed a speech of him, standing alone, ranting about QAnon conspiracy theories and asking people to guy his penis-enlargement supplements, that would be unobjectionable from a coronavirus-transmission perspective; it would, however, still be a fucked-up failure of presidential leadership—and Biden would still be able to ask when Trump would take the presidency seriously. That being said, from a pandemic perspective, there's probably a difference between packing people closely together to sing loudly without wearing masks, and mask-wearing people moving around with a lot of space between them. Even if that had not been the case, from a moral perspective, there's a difference between taking risks in order to fight severe injustice, and inciting others to take greater risks in order to participate in a self-serving—and incredibly fucking embarrassing—political spectacle.

    The really pathetic thing is that you don't even know what you're trying to argue, here; you're just pulling increasingly stupid attempts at whataboutism out of your ass, hoping something will stick—and only succeeding in showing more of your ass with every attempt.
    Last edited by Aimless; 08-29-2020 at 06:31 AM.
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  2. #422
    Republicans care so much about black lives that they... fabricate black people:

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  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    (click through for thread and article)
    Are you getting paid for promoting twitter?
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  4. #424
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  5. #425
    Too damn right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  6. #426
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-2016-warning

    Moore accurately predicted the 2016 election and is now warning about the enthusiasm gap. In American politics there is almost no crossover between Republicans and Democrats (at least recently). What matters are the small % of swing voters who tend not to be specifically aligned to either party. The second thing that matters is how much of your base shows up to vote, and that's where enthusiasm comes in. The core Trump supporter is massively enthused for 4 more years. However there is little enthusiasm for Biden among the Democratic party base. Will this change the outcome in most states? Probably not but could it change the outcome in a few swing states? We'll have to see.

  7. #427
    If you think that people aren't enthused to see the back of Trump I think you'll be much mistaken.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If you think that people aren't enthused to see the back of Trump I think you'll be much mistaken.
    I think you didn't watch the Republican Convention.
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  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-2016-warning

    Moore accurately predicted the 2016 election and is now warning about the enthusiasm gap. In American politics there is almost no crossover between Republicans and Democrats (at least recently). What matters are the small % of swing voters who tend not to be specifically aligned to either party. The second thing that matters is how much of your base shows up to vote, and that's where enthusiasm comes in. The core Trump supporter is massively enthused for 4 more years. However there is little enthusiasm for Biden among the Democratic party base. Will this change the outcome in most states? Probably not but could it change the outcome in a few swing states? We'll have to see.
    You are becoming a parody of yourself, Lewk. Citing Michael Moore? Really?
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  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    You are becoming a parody of yourself, Lewk. Citing Michael Moore? Really?
    If I cite a right wing person it would be taken at an even finer grain of salt. I'm citing a person who is a leftist.

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    If I cite a right wing person it would be taken at an even finer grain of salt. I'm citing a person who is a leftist.
    You're citing a clown, you fucking clown. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you're making yourself look right now?
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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    I think you didn't watch the Republican Convention.
    No I didn't. Nor according to the ratings did over 90% of Americans.

    But I don't think the people who are enthused to see the back of Trump would be watching the RNC either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You're citing a clown, you fucking clown. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you're making yourself look right now?
    Moore's not being a clown here nor is he saying either that Trump would or should win. I'm no fan of Moore but what he's saying is that nothing should be taken for granted. That is right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You're citing a clown, you fucking clown. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you're making yourself look right now?
    I actually agree he is a clown but dammn someone seems very hostile to even the idea that Trump might win 2020. Honestly regardless of the help/harm this election does to the country, if Trump wins I'm definitely looking forward to your meltdown.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I actually agree he is a clown but dammn someone seems very hostile to even the idea that Trump might win 2020. Honestly regardless of the help/harm this election does to the country, if Trump wins I'm definitely looking forward to your meltdown.
    As I have explained on numerous occasions, you're a stupid man, and I have no respect for you. As such, I don't care what you look forward to. There are people who fap to goat porn; do you think anyone would be particularly impressed by one of them announcing that he's looking forward to the prospect of a goat being raped?

    The reason I'm calling you an idiot here is because of how fucking stupid it is to respond to Loki's criticism with the defense that you were "citing a leftist". It is a succinct illustration of the extent to which your boomer-style culture war wanking on Facebook has rotted what little remained of your brain. "I'm citing a leftist." How fucking stupid are you?
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  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    ...boomer-style culture war...
    What is that?
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  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Moore's not being a clown here nor is he saying either that Trump would or should win. I'm no fan of Moore but what he's saying is that nothing should be taken for granted. That is right.
    You've made this mistake a couple of times now in the past few months, so I think it's worth addressing. Saying that nothing should be taken for granted is reasonable and not particularly objectionable. The explanations he offers, however—enthusiasm gap, not enough Bernie-style populism—are dubious. If you state that (a + b)² = a² + 2ab + b², you'll be right. If you state that (a + b)² = a² + 2ab + b² because bananas are crustaceans, you'll be wrong.

    What Moore is doing is hedging his bet on a mild version of accelerationism. Best case scenario, Biden wins—and Moore takes credit for discouraging a small number of Dem-leaning voters from skipping the election out of complacency; worst case scenario, Trump wins—and Moore bolsters his reputation, as well as—indirectly—the case for Bernie-style populism. His statements don't move the needle in any direction.
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  19. #439
    What Minx said. Also, being right once is not evidence of expertise, especially when the probability of being correct is 1 in 2. There are probably chimpanzees who also predicted the correct result in the 2016 election. The reality is that you have to be right for the right reasons to claim any kind of a special talent/knowledge. I suppose if someone was to correctly predict a dozen events, they might be worth paying attention to, even if they don't know how they got them right. But 1 lucky guess?

    There are also a whole industry of conmen who repeatedly make dumb predictions. A vast majority of the time they're wrong and no one cares (because of course they'd be wrong). Then they get something right and suddenly it's newsworthy; all the dumb predictions are forgotten. It's like the economists who predict a recession every single year and then people think they're a genius because they happened to be right the year it did happen.
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  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's like the economists who predict a recession every single year and then people think they're a genius because they happened to be right the year it did happen.
    Ah kinda like Paul Krugman who predicted the stock market may never recover right after President Trump beat Clinton?

  21. #441
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  22. #442
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  23. #443
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    more twitter

    What's your point?
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  24. #444
    The theory I've seen is that the papers are going to prove that his property empire has been committing systemic fraud: declaring different values for properties depending upon what form is being filled in, eg a high value to the bank but a low value to the taxman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #445
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    What's your point?
    Two important things:

    1. The courts are not giving Trump a break, on this issue.

    2. It's interesting that Trump claims transparency wrt his tax filings will cause him irreparable harm. Ofc, he would fight disclosure using similar arguments even if that weren't the case, but it makes his tax practices look dodgier than they would've otherwise, which is interesting not only politically but also from the investigators'—and the judge's—perspective.
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  26. #446
    Irreparable harm is a legal term.

    In order to get an injunction in the US courts until a higher court resolves the matter then, there needs to be irreparable harm which means that the lower courts ruling is not implemented yet.

    Otherwise the lower courts ruling should be followed immediately followed by reversing it on appeal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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  27. #447
    Yes, but what is the irreparable harm that would occur if he were investigated?
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  28. #448
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    Isn't that just because if the records are released pending the appeal, that makes the appeal useless since you can't un-release the records? And therefore it'd be irreparable.
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  29. #449
    Yes that's the meaning of the phrase. Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  30. #450
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    ...Can't put the genie back in the bottle.
    Skip forward to 2:40, what a man!

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