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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yeah, imbecilic... oh, wait, we were talking about the US?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ventilator-row
Also, not joining the EU effort "just because" strikes me as a braindead notion. What would you lose?The UK has instead chosen to source ventilators from British manufacturers who have never made the products before, ordering 10,000 machines from the household appliance firm Dyson.
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The head of Direct Access, Steven Mifsud, told the Nantwich News he had sourced 5,000 ventilators and millions of face masks and personal protective equipment through its United Arab Emirates partners. He registered the supply on the “ventilator challenge” page of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy website, but after five days he had heard nothing and the supplies went elsewhere.
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He said his partners in the UAE said they were getting responses from other countries within hours.
Andrew Raynor, of the medical parts manufacturer MEC Medical, told the BBC’s Newsnight that nothing happened when he contacted the government offering to make ventilators.
“The government should have given funding to existing ventilator manufacturers, and existing companies like us,” he said.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
They now say they didn't join because they were too stupid to check their e-mail.Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Congratulations America
Is Sweden actually gonna try to go the herd immunity route? Do they really believe they are able to keep the virus from overwhelming the health care system? Does Sweden really have such a redundancy in the system? Do they really think in the Netherlands people live in multi-generational households?
Jesus Fucking Christ. It's like I hear the 'specialists' from the agencies that advise out government all over again. The people who first were convinced there was no chance the virus would reach us, forgot to stock up on testing material, did nothing to make the health care system more robust and THEN advised against cancelling Carnaval in the south of the country. Now, you guess, which part of the country has hospitals operating on 'black status' and has to send patients to hospitals in other regions to avoid triage of the lethal kind?
Regions that will only have the capacity to recieve patients of course untill the virus has a party there because too many people still think it's kind of a flu that doesn't really threathen them.
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Officially, no. In reality, yes, they're basically pursuing a strategy of mitigation.
My impression is that they've realized too late that the strategy they (like the UK and a few others) initially settled on has led to an uncontrolled epidemic in major cities, esp. in Stockholm, and they've given up on containment both there and elsewhere. Despite extremely small (= nonexistant or negative) margins during normal conditions, there is a lot of potential for stepping up capacity during a crisis. We have a relatively high number of doctors and nurses per capita, although they're not necessarily where they need to be (would have to be requisitioned/reassigned). We have excess ventilator capacity and can convert wards and rooms on short notice; some hospitals - including my own - have tripled their intensive care capacity by converting facilities and using equipment freed up from canceling elective surgeries. But the situation in several cities is already close to unmanageable, and will get considerably worse over the coming weeks; hospitals in those cities are fucked. Much of the rest of Sweden is extremely sparsely populated, and social distancing measures etc. may help mitigate the situation in those parts. Hospitals in those regions are probably going to have to help shore up hospitals in harder-hit areas.Do they really believe they are able to keep the virus from overwhelming the health care system? Does Sweden really have such a redundancy in the system?
Their justifications are not persuasive, to say the least. There's a article of faith deeply cherished by Swedes that Sweden is "different", that lessons applicable to other countries are simply not applicable to Sweden.Do they really think in the Netherlands people live in multi-generational households?
One of Sweden's greatest strengths is also one of its greatest weaknesses: immense public and political trust in institutions/agencies. Another such mixed blessing is the high proportion of people in positions of authority who have basic military training; there's a great deal of respect for chain of command. In many respects, this is a good thing - it prevents panic, and it enables effective responses to problems. The problem is, under extraordinary circumstances, it means people stop thinking. It places a great deal of responsibility on the agencies responding to an emergency/crisis, as well as on politicians. In this case, they appear to have failed to respond in an appropriate manner, and now they're just trying to keep their heads above water. I think Sweden may be somewhat unique in that agencies responsible for a particular area under normal circumstances are also responsible for crisis response involving those areas, and we've seen before (eg. during the Estonia disaster, the tsunami) that this leads to predictable and avoidable problems with crisis response. There are already calls for instituting a covid19 response commission to learn lessons from our mistakes now, in anticipation of the next wave; at the very least, we can get some explanation for why govt. epidemiologists saw fit to deviate from international recs.Jesus Fucking Christ. It's like I hear the 'specialists' from the agencies that advise out government all over again. The people who first were convinced there was no chance the virus would reach us, forgot to stock up on testing material, did nothing to make the health care system more robust and THEN advised against cancelling Carnaval in the south of the country. Now, you guess, which part of the country has hospitals operating on 'black status' and has to send patients to hospitals in other regions to avoid triage of the lethal kind?
Regions that will only have the capacity to recieve patients of course untill the virus has a party there because too many people still think it's kind of a flu that doesn't really threathen them.
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At my hospital, we have been specifically told not to get "creative", and to not do things we've been told not to do. As a consequence, people have been admitting covid19 pts to wards full of vulnerable patients, and staff have been exposed, for up to a day. At some other hospitals - where representatives of the official response apparatus is less present - they've decided to disregard official Swedish guidance and instead learn from other countries. I am seeing a disappointing side to some people for whose leadership and expertise I have otherwise had a great deal of respect, but, at the end of the day, I can currently only take responsibility for myself and for those working under my guidance on any given shift.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
All I can say is that I wish you good luck and a lot of strength in the period ahead. I hope you can keep yourself and your loved ones safe.
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Thanks, you too. My friends at other hospitals and in other cities/countries are in much more precarious situations.
Mate, no. With a dangerous droplet-borne viral pandemic developing, you shouldn't need your CSO to tell you whether or not you should shake hands with a few dozen people a day—you should decide not to, on your own, and if your CSO encourages you to shake hands, you should question their judgement and disregard their recommendation wrt handshaking. The cost of not shaking hands is, in this context, essentially zero.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
That's not unique to Sweden. Looks like the UK felt the same way with their late response and mitigation, and Mexico is reportedly telling poor people they can't get infected. And don't forget that US Exceptionalism is alive and well, with low population states believing they're 'immune' somehow, and even the Executive and Legislative branches aren't practicing social distancing properly.
Take care of yourself and your family, be super cautious, and hope you don't run out of PPE -- or have to wear garbage bags as gowns, or home-sewn masks.
Hi, Bitter! Good to see you again and glad you cancelled your NO trip.Yeah, it's going to get bad. They're converting a convention center into a massive field hospital. (Brings back bad memories of Katrina.)
Contact tracing is a nightmare due to travel/tourism. Between spring break and Mardi Gras and vacationers, it's no wonder there's global spread. I'm wondering why airports and cruise lines are still operating....
I wonder if Trump realizes that by his fear for the 'economic damage' of covid-19 containment means that he could kill millions of Americans and bring ruin on millions more. A lot of them his supporters. The only person who's going to win the next elections is the candidate who promises universal healthcare and paid sick leave. Socialism in our time so to say.
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He's probably looking at it striking New York and thinking it's a blue state problem. He's a narcissist unless it hits him he doesn't care.
Trump Claims U.S. States Don't Need the Amount of Ventilators They're Asking for: 'I Don't Believe You Need 40,000 or 30,000'
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-claim...u-need-1494599
More lewk level gut feeling decision making. No wonder Lewk gravitates towards this asshole so badly.
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Could have swore I touched on this already predicting GameStop was going to use the social distancing closures to shutter stores and layoff staff. Now that they made it through doom and animal farm, that's exactly what they are doing.
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2020/03...-closing-2020/
EDIT: found it!
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Well, let's see if BloJo will still be sanguine about the whole thing if his mild symptoms turn into something more problematic.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I don't know what planet you're on Khen. Here in the real world we have been taking this very seriously already. I suspect he's more worried about his pregnant fiancee than his own health but I guess you checked your humanity away a while ago?
I was about to post the Trump denies the need for ventilators story but I see OG beat me to it. What an arse. Meanwhile our government weeks ago asked manufacturers to produce ventilators and we've got thousand more sourced now. As well as Dyson I believe many Formula One manufacturers in this country have been able to repurpose their factories quickly to doing ventilators too.
Yeah, yeah. I'm not really sympathetic to "leaders" who give sweetheart deals to unproven manufacturers even in the time of crisis.
Why don't you ask the existing ventilator manufacturers in your country what they think of the Dyson deal?
Also, the initial response ("just let it rip!") betrayed his true intentions quite nicely.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
So... Boris Johnson has it...
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
“I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands." - Boris Johnson, 3rd March
Morons, all the way to the top
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Note the date.
That was when the CSO was saying shaking hands was not significant, washing them is. They changed the medical advice and stopped shaking hands two days later.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...-environmental
'Holy Crap This Is Insane': Citing Coronavirus Pandemic, EPA Indefinitely Suspends Environmental Rules
and the power grabs have begun.
which ignored the previous 3-4 months of countries already dealing with this. Like I said, morons all the way up.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I couldn't give a shit what the existing manufacturers think. The NHS had 5000 which is enough normally but they realised they would need much more so put a public address out asking any manufacturer who could do it to get in touch. A week ago they announced they'd gone from 5000 to 12000 and a few days ago Neil Ferguson wrote that with the decisions made he thinks that the NHS can cope now. If any company doesn't like that the deals went to whoever could supply them the quickest then tough shit.
Just let it rip was NEVER policy so you're either stupid or lying or both.
Yes the Prime Minister and in last few minutes Health Secretary Hancock have both said they've tested positive.
Wowsers. Man, why couldn't it be Trump and Pence? Not sure about his (Boris) health, but Prince Charles, yikes, 71 is not a good age to have this.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Boris is overweight but otherwise thought to be healthy. Of much greater concern for him will be his pregnant fiancee. Leader of the Opposition Corbyn refused to go into self isolation (he's 70) and was opposite Johnson in the Commons just a few days ago.
Meanwhile in the third world this is deadly to teenagers without healthcare.
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Shameful. The Conservative Paradise, brain child of the Reagan Revolution. Money > people.
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
The epidemic wasn't even on the radar 4 months before then.
Do you think it's better for our leaders to follow their chief medical advisors expertise or to make it up themselves and sideline their scientists?
Do you think if the scientists or politicians make a mistake they should stick with it as they don't want to be embarrassed or to change their advice.
Randblade trying to make it out like the official advice was "Hand shaking is fine, actually. Good even, you should totally do it" rather than that the NHS hadn't issued any official advice on hand shaking by that stage is classic Randblade.
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Actually the chief science boffins did give handshake advice at the same press conference as Boris spoke at. They were of course also stood next to him and said there wasn't evidence handshakes spread the disease and that the priority was hand washing.
So if you mean classic Randblade is being accurate and giving the full facts then yes I will take that.
A couple of days later the medical advice changed and Johnson rather than worrying about the fact it was a U-turn did the right thing and went with the NEW advice.
Source?Actually the chief science boffins did give handshake advice at the same press conference as Boris spoke at. They were of course also stood next to him and said there wasn't evidence handshakes spread the disease and that the priority was hand washing.
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When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
You're asking for a source on your own claim?
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When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
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