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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    US healthcare is a fucking joke
    Amen to that, *cough*

    And it's now a joke to think the US leads the world.
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  3. #543
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...nal-cathedral/

    Yes, the source is Popular Mechanics, wiggin. You dismissed that in the Infrastructure thread, too.

    The Very Holy Reverend what's his name has located a stockpile of important personal protection equipment (PPE) stored in church vaults. It's still good to go. Yay for the voluntarily cooperation b/w church and state? Or should we wonder why the government didn't have the same stockpile?

    It's pretty crazy that religious groups who want to "pray away" our problems have stocked up on N-95 masks....but now offer their stockpiles to the public.
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  4. #544
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    Prince Charles tests positive. God Save the Queen?

    The spike in New Orleans, LA is disturbing.
    We had planned our vacation in NOLA six months ago.
    Everything was paid for.
    The Monday prior to Friday, March 13th, NOLA had 3 cases.
    By Friday, 33.
    I became hesitant. Others in our party wanted to go. We were not eligible for a refund.
    We had until the following Thursday to cancel and lose half our money.
    We messaged our host to get a feel for what was going on...



    “Crawfish boils and fish fry Friday here today, as if nothing is happening anywhere on the world...very typical for Nola as some of our best tokes and parties are during “hurricane parties”!!“
    This is why it’s so bad down there now. This all started from Mardi Gras!

    We, against my better judgement, let the Thursday deadline pass.
    Sunday we were notified we were eligible for a full refund.

    I continued to watch their numbers grow. Ohio had lower cases than Louisiana and started shutting things down. They started a week later. It’s going to get real bad down there.

  5. #545
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  6. #546
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    It was a Tweet from Trump blaming the "Lamestream media" for damaging the stock market to hurt his re-election prospects.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  7. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Bitter Jeweler View Post
    We had planned our vacation in NOLA six months ago.
    Everything was paid for.
    The Monday prior to Friday, March 13th, NOLA had 3 cases.
    By Friday, 33.
    I became hesitant. Others in our party wanted to go. We were not eligible for a refund.
    We had until the following Thursday to cancel and lose half our money.
    We messaged our host to get a feel for what was going on...





    This is why it’s so bad down there now. This all started from Mardi Gras!

    We, against my better judgement, let the Thursday deadline pass.
    Sunday we were notified we were eligible for a full refund.

    I continued to watch their numbers grow. Ohio had lower cases than Louisiana and started shutting things down. They started a week later. It’s going to get real bad down there.
    Guessing you got a full refund then at least? I'm assuming you're not traveling?
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  8. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    It was a Tweet from Trump blaming the "Lamestream media" for damaging the stock market to hurt his re-election prospects.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  9. #549
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Guessing you got a full refund then at least? I'm assuming you're not traveling?
    Correct!
    I am so relieved.

  10. #550
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Not as much as Americans screwed up making this imbecile President
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    Yeah, imbecilic... oh, wait, we were talking about the US?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ventilator-row

    The UK has instead chosen to source ventilators from British manufacturers who have never made the products before, ordering 10,000 machines from the household appliance firm Dyson.
    [...]

    The head of Direct Access, Steven Mifsud, told the Nantwich News he had sourced 5,000 ventilators and millions of face masks and personal protective equipment through its United Arab Emirates partners. He registered the supply on the “ventilator challenge” page of the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy website, but after five days he had heard nothing and the supplies went elsewhere.
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    He said his partners in the UAE said they were getting responses from other countries within hours.

    Andrew Raynor, of the medical parts manufacturer MEC Medical, told the BBC’s Newsnight that nothing happened when he contacted the government offering to make ventilators.

    “The government should have given funding to existing ventilator manufacturers, and existing companies like us,” he said.
    Also, not joining the EU effort "just because" strikes me as a braindead notion. What would you lose?
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    Is Sweden actually gonna try to go the herd immunity route? Do they really believe they are able to keep the virus from overwhelming the health care system? Does Sweden really have such a redundancy in the system? Do they really think in the Netherlands people live in multi-generational households?

    Jesus Fucking Christ. It's like I hear the 'specialists' from the agencies that advise out government all over again. The people who first were convinced there was no chance the virus would reach us, forgot to stock up on testing material, did nothing to make the health care system more robust and THEN advised against cancelling Carnaval in the south of the country. Now, you guess, which part of the country has hospitals operating on 'black status' and has to send patients to hospitals in other regions to avoid triage of the lethal kind?

    Regions that will only have the capacity to recieve patients of course untill the virus has a party there because too many people still think it's kind of a flu that doesn't really threathen them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Yeah, imbecilic... oh, wait, we were talking about the US?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ventilator-row



    Also, not joining the EU effort "just because" strikes me as a braindead notion. What would you lose?
    They now say they didn't join because they were too stupid to check their e-mail.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    I wonder if Trump realizes that by his fear for the 'economic damage' of covid-19 containment means that he could kill millions of Americans and bring ruin on millions more. A lot of them his supporters. The only person who's going to win the next elections is the candidate who promises universal healthcare and paid sick leave. Socialism in our time so to say.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  15. #555
    He's probably looking at it striking New York and thinking it's a blue state problem. He's a narcissist unless it hits him he doesn't care.
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  16. #556
    Trump Claims U.S. States Don't Need the Amount of Ventilators They're Asking for: 'I Don't Believe You Need 40,000 or 30,000'
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-claim...u-need-1494599

    More lewk level gut feeling decision making. No wonder Lewk gravitates towards this asshole so badly.

    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 03-27-2020 at 12:28 PM.
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  17. #557
    Could have swore I touched on this already predicting GameStop was going to use the social distancing closures to shutter stores and layoff staff. Now that they made it through doom and animal farm, that's exactly what they are doing.

    https://comicbook.com/gaming/2020/03...-closing-2020/

    EDIT: found it!

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    Here? Closures of "under" performing locations, relocations and firings to make room for new employees that can be paid the lower base wage.

    I'm calling it right now, if this thing rampages across America there are going to be multiple at risk companies that follow that game plan, but keeping on this board's theme, Gamestop specifically.
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    Well, let's see if BloJo will still be sanguine about the whole thing if his mild symptoms turn into something more problematic.
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  19. #559
    I don't know what planet you're on Khen. Here in the real world we have been taking this very seriously already. I suspect he's more worried about his pregnant fiancee than his own health but I guess you checked your humanity away a while ago?

    I was about to post the Trump denies the need for ventilators story but I see OG beat me to it. What an arse. Meanwhile our government weeks ago asked manufacturers to produce ventilators and we've got thousand more sourced now. As well as Dyson I believe many Formula One manufacturers in this country have been able to repurpose their factories quickly to doing ventilators too.
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    Yeah, yeah. I'm not really sympathetic to "leaders" who give sweetheart deals to unproven manufacturers even in the time of crisis.

    Why don't you ask the existing ventilator manufacturers in your country what they think of the Dyson deal?

    Also, the initial response ("just let it rip!") betrayed his true intentions quite nicely.
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  21. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Yeah, yeah. I'm not really sympathetic to "leaders" who give sweetheart deals to unproven manufacturers even in the time of crisis.

    Why don't you ask the existing ventilator manufacturers in your country what they think of the Dyson deal?

    Also, the initial response ("just let it rip!") betrayed his true intentions quite nicely.
    So... Boris Johnson has it...
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  22. #562
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Yeah, yeah. I'm not really sympathetic to "leaders" who give sweetheart deals to unproven manufacturers even in the time of crisis.

    Why don't you ask the existing ventilator manufacturers in your country what they think of the Dyson deal?

    Also, the initial response ("just let it rip!") betrayed his true intentions quite nicely.
    I couldn't give a shit what the existing manufacturers think. The NHS had 5000 which is enough normally but they realised they would need much more so put a public address out asking any manufacturer who could do it to get in touch. A week ago they announced they'd gone from 5000 to 12000 and a few days ago Neil Ferguson wrote that with the decisions made he thinks that the NHS can cope now. If any company doesn't like that the deals went to whoever could supply them the quickest then tough shit.

    Just let it rip was NEVER policy so you're either stupid or lying or both.

    Yes the Prime Minister and in last few minutes Health Secretary Hancock have both said they've tested positive.
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  23. #563
    Wowsers. Man, why couldn't it be Trump and Pence? Not sure about his (Boris) health, but Prince Charles, yikes, 71 is not a good age to have this.
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  24. #564
    Boris is overweight but otherwise thought to be healthy. Of much greater concern for him will be his pregnant fiancee. Leader of the Opposition Corbyn refused to go into self isolation (he's 70) and was opposite Johnson in the Commons just a few days ago.
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  25. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Is Sweden actually gonna try to go the herd immunity route?
    Officially, no. In reality, yes, they're basically pursuing a strategy of mitigation.

    Do they really believe they are able to keep the virus from overwhelming the health care system? Does Sweden really have such a redundancy in the system?
    My impression is that they've realized too late that the strategy they (like the UK and a few others) initially settled on has led to an uncontrolled epidemic in major cities, esp. in Stockholm, and they've given up on containment both there and elsewhere. Despite extremely small (= nonexistant or negative) margins during normal conditions, there is a lot of potential for stepping up capacity during a crisis. We have a relatively high number of doctors and nurses per capita, although they're not necessarily where they need to be (would have to be requisitioned/reassigned). We have excess ventilator capacity and can convert wards and rooms on short notice; some hospitals - including my own - have tripled their intensive care capacity by converting facilities and using equipment freed up from canceling elective surgeries. But the situation in several cities is already close to unmanageable, and will get considerably worse over the coming weeks; hospitals in those cities are fucked. Much of the rest of Sweden is extremely sparsely populated, and social distancing measures etc. may help mitigate the situation in those parts. Hospitals in those regions are probably going to have to help shore up hospitals in harder-hit areas.

    Do they really think in the Netherlands people live in multi-generational households?
    Their justifications are not persuasive, to say the least. There's a article of faith deeply cherished by Swedes that Sweden is "different", that lessons applicable to other countries are simply not applicable to Sweden.

    Jesus Fucking Christ. It's like I hear the 'specialists' from the agencies that advise out government all over again. The people who first were convinced there was no chance the virus would reach us, forgot to stock up on testing material, did nothing to make the health care system more robust and THEN advised against cancelling Carnaval in the south of the country. Now, you guess, which part of the country has hospitals operating on 'black status' and has to send patients to hospitals in other regions to avoid triage of the lethal kind?

    Regions that will only have the capacity to recieve patients of course untill the virus has a party there because too many people still think it's kind of a flu that doesn't really threathen them.

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    One of Sweden's greatest strengths is also one of its greatest weaknesses: immense public and political trust in institutions/agencies. Another such mixed blessing is the high proportion of people in positions of authority who have basic military training; there's a great deal of respect for chain of command. In many respects, this is a good thing - it prevents panic, and it enables effective responses to problems. The problem is, under extraordinary circumstances, it means people stop thinking. It places a great deal of responsibility on the agencies responding to an emergency/crisis, as well as on politicians. In this case, they appear to have failed to respond in an appropriate manner, and now they're just trying to keep their heads above water. I think Sweden may be somewhat unique in that agencies responsible for a particular area under normal circumstances are also responsible for crisis response involving those areas, and we've seen before (eg. during the Estonia disaster, the tsunami) that this leads to predictable and avoidable problems with crisis response. There are already calls for instituting a covid19 response commission to learn lessons from our mistakes now, in anticipation of the next wave; at the very least, we can get some explanation for why govt. epidemiologists saw fit to deviate from international recs.

    At my hospital, we have been specifically told not to get "creative", and to not do things we've been told not to do. As a consequence, people have been admitting covid19 pts to wards full of vulnerable patients, and staff have been exposed, for up to a day. At some other hospitals - where representatives of the official response apparatus is less present - they've decided to disregard official Swedish guidance and instead learn from other countries. I am seeing a disappointing side to some people for whose leadership and expertise I have otherwise had a great deal of respect, but, at the end of the day, I can currently only take responsibility for myself and for those working under my guidance on any given shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Officially, no. In reality, yes, they're basically pursuing a strategy of mitigation.
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    All I can say is that I wish you good luck and a lot of strength in the period ahead. I hope you can keep yourself and your loved ones safe.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  27. #567
    Meanwhile in the third world this is deadly to teenagers without healthcare.
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  28. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Meanwhile in the third world this is deadly to teenagers without healthcare.


    Shameful. The Conservative Paradise, brain child of the Reagan Revolution. Money > people.
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  29. #569
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    So... Boris Johnson has it...
    “I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands." - Boris Johnson, 3rd March

    Morons, all the way to the top
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    “I’m shaking hands continuously. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know. I continue to shake hands." - Boris Johnson, 3rd March

    Morons, all the way to the top
    Note the date.

    That was when the CSO was saying shaking hands was not significant, washing them is. They changed the medical advice and stopped shaking hands two days later.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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