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  1. #1291
    "actual laws"
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  2. #1292
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I am in favor of peaceful protesters who obey the law. Always will be. Once you break the law, you are criminals and are treated as such. Now I'm not talking about jaywalking or some nonsense but actual laws such as assault, vandalism, burglary, battery etc.
    But not killing people?

    Remarkable you still can't bring yourself into criticising killing people.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #1293
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    "actual laws"
    You know what I meant - there are certain laws that are technically illegal but are never treated as serious crimes by the police, the public or anyone. IE jaywalking, going a couple of mph over the speed limit etc.

  4. #1294
    Lewk you're such a racist hypocrite no one understands your points. Where on your scale of "actual laws" would unlawful assembly fall? Or impeding the rights of emergency vehicles? Or failing to pay for toothpaste?
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 06-02-2020 at 01:19 AM.
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  5. #1295
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post





    French study about hydroxicloriquine. It seems journalist clinical studies do better than scientists. At this time, WHO telling us hydroxicloriquine does not work, while we know its politically adversarial position towards USA, diminishes WHO credibility.



    Also, you could blame WHO for late response to COVID worldwide.
    Jan 7. CDC establishes an improved tracking system.
    Jan 20. First COVID case in USA
    Jan 23. WHO said it was too soon to declare emergency. Source, WHO website.
    Jan 31. Trump bans travelers from China. WHO opposed.
    Mar 11. WHO declares emergency. WHO responded 40 days after Trump banned travel from China.



    And despite WHO being the one who reacted late, way after Trump, media still lies and bashes with gossipy attitude.
    How late did Trump react? He banned Chinese travelers 40 days BEFORE WHO declared emergency.



    Medical professionals of CCSS (Costa Rican NHS equivalent) defends the use of hydroxicloriquine. As you may know, Costa Rica has been very successful in mitigation. Also, if you see the official figures, in USA for each 1 dead there are 3 recovered (24% mortality) while Costa Rica has only 2%. If you are going to tell me mortality underestimates presymptomatic patients I will also say that death toll is also underestimated because hospitals do not test all dead people either. It looks that hydroxicloriquine is just a trashing tool to defame Trump.

    Last edited by ar81; 06-02-2020 at 03:16 AM.
    Freedom - When people learn to embrace criticism about politicians, since politicians are just employees like you and me.

  6. #1296
    Spain reports about 43000 people dead due to COVID.
    Government promoted a huge march, ignoring social distancing.
    Government knew about the problem and the day after the march, they declared emergency.
    Virtue signaling that costs lives.
    Spanish people are very upset.





    Tell Spanish people that COVID is a flu, and you will see them upset.
    And yet look at US media.





    Freedom - When people learn to embrace criticism about politicians, since politicians are just employees like you and me.

  7. #1297
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You know what I meant - there are certain laws that are technically illegal but are never treated as serious crimes by the police, the public or anyone. IE jaywalking, going a couple of mph over the speed limit etc.
    Misdemeanors is the word you're looking for in the American legal system.

    Trespassing is one of those too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    So. Is Tegnell going to resign? Or is being responsible for hundreds maybe thousands of deaths not a good enough reason?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  9. #1299
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    So. Is Tegnell going to resign? Or is being responsible for hundreds maybe thousands of deaths not a good enough reason?
    The entire group should be removed, but, so long as they have the support of the govt and a majority of Swedes, the pressure to resign can be withstood. Remember—their position is that they're right, and that they'll be proven right within a year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The entire group should be removed, but, so long as they have the support of the govt and a majority of Swedes, the pressure to resign can be withstood. Remember—their position is that they're right, and that they'll be proven right within a year or two.
    I understand from the media they are no longer claiming they were entirely right and that their choices have caused more deaths than necessary (basically what most people outside Sweden already knew).
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  11. #1301
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    I understand from the media they are no longer claiming they were entirely right and that their choices have caused more deaths than necessary (basically what most people outside Sweden already knew).
    His remarks have been somewhat mischaracterized. They're saying they mostly did the best they could've done, based on what they knew (note: as opposed to what everyone else suspected were plausible risks). They're not actually taking responsibility for the care home deaths, only saying they should've tested a little more at care homes. They're not conceding any real criticism re. suppression measures. The framing remains the same: we know a few more things now that, in hindsight, may have influenced policies to a small extent earlier on in the epidemic, but we're doing about as well as one could've expected, and everyone else will end up doing about as poorly as we have. It's not an acknowledgement that our approach was outright wrong—it's just an attempt to defuse the criticism by saying we have done a decent job, but that we could've done a little better. I'm being a little harsh, but his subsequent comments to Swedish media suggests he doesn't agree with the substantive criticism of analysis and strategy; he only regrets that it somehow turned out to be worse than they'd expected.
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  12. #1302
    Fascinating thread. The graph in Tweet 7 is shocking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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