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  1. #1561
    There is no bottom:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  2. #1562
    They had to free up some CBP agents to go to Portland (for the photo-op that will soon be used in Trump's campaign ads).

  3. #1563
    You know it's bad when US citizens are banned from traveling to Canada and Europe. And the US military has tons of infected soldiers, and is blamed for outbreaks in Japan and South Korea (really anywhere US troops are stationed). The USA is the #1 infectious vector! MAGA

  4. #1564
    Americans are morons

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    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  5. #1565
    Which state is that from?

    Are masks mandated when outside?

    In the UK masks are not, but are on public transport and (as of today) in all shops.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  6. #1566
    The evidence seems to be that outdoor transmission is miniscule compared to indoors. But even still in that picture given the lack of social distancing I'd be concerned and wearing a mask even if it is outdoors.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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  8. #1568
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Thank you for the reminder of how stupid you are, but it's quite redundant—we already know.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  9. #1569
    "Fauci is just giving us a preview of life under a Biden Administration"

    Yet another self-own for the Trumpists. Guess which administration Fauci is working for.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  10. #1570
    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Which state is that from?
    Tennessee, another republican led state.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  11. #1571
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    10 states now have higher infection rates than any other country in the world. The winners are: Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Arizona, Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Idaho, and Tennessee
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  12. #1572
    Is there a common denominator between those states?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #1573
    If I'm remembering correctly 8 are republican led and the other 2 butt up against states with crazy high counts. Louisiana gets Mississippi and Texas, and Nevada gets Idaho, arizona and Cali (which I'm assuming isn't on this list because of its population size). No idea about actual policies that were put in place.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  14. #1574
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Is there a common denominator between those states?
    Republican leadership and hot.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #1575
    Radio silence from Lewk. Surprise surprise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  16. #1576
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hospital-texas

    And they were worried Obama care would lead to 'death panels'...
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  17. #1577
    They were outraged over a standard military exercise in Texas. Now they're cheerleading for stormtroopers.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  18. #1578
    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Radio silence from Lewk. Surprise surprise.
    Deaths per 100k Population by State:

    New Jersey: 177
    New York: 168
    Massachusetts: 123

    Now if we want to go down to the states that are doing significantly better, both left and right...

    California: 21
    Texas: 16

  19. #1579
    You remind me of the Soviet purge victims who would shout "glory to Stalin" as they were being executed.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  20. #1580
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Deaths per 100k Population by State:

    New Jersey: 177
    New York: 168
    Massachusetts: 123

    Now if we want to go down to the states that are doing significantly better, both left and right...

    California: 21
    Texas: 16
    And adjusted for population density?
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  21. #1581
    Anyone who discusses anything about this virus without accounting for population density is clearly either very stupid, or just trying to score silly points.

    I'm not sure which case it is here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  22. #1582
    The main flaw isn't a failure to adjust for population density; it's a failure to acknowledge the difference in trajectores. The NY outbreak is long past its peak—and close to being under control—whereas the others are just getting started. He can keep this up for several weeks, but, eventually, without substantial changes to policy and public behavior, major cities in all those states will be in much worse shape than they are today. Given that we now have the advantage of knowledge about the pandemic, their stats a few weeks from now will be indefensible—unless they get a grip today.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  23. #1583
    The trajectories are the second-biggest issue when you want to act like an idiot treating this as a football league table.

    This virus hit high density states and cities like NYC very hard. Social distancing works and social distancing in Smallville and Metropolis are not the same. Only an idiot would contrast Sticksville with NYC.

    The numbers in Texas will never match the numbers for New York but if they did, then obviously Texas would have failed to handle this much, much worse - to have all the natural advantages and throw them away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  24. #1584
    Lewk's view is that living in amazing, globally connected cities is bad.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #1585
    Exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  26. #1586
    The US is a meritocracy:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #1587
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hospital-texas

    And they were worried Obama care would lead to 'death panels'...
    Lewk just ignored that -- doesn't fit his view that states shouldn't need federal assistance, not even during a disaster. He probably still thinks "Freee Market" health insurance can address a pandemic health crisis. And he posted death rates without citing a source, again.

  28. #1588
    America’s Schools Are a Moral and Medical Catastrophe

    A guide to understanding the science, and the politics, preventing U.S. children from being educated this year.

    By Laurie Garrett | July 24, 2020, 12:45 PM
    Picture of an empty classroom at the Eustaqui Palacios school in Cali, Colombia, taken on March 16, 2020. LUIS ROBAYO/AFP via Getty Images
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    After U.S. President Donald Trump demanded last week that schools nationwide reopen this fall, regardless of the status of their community’s COVID-19 epidemic status, his Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos was asked how this could safely be accomplished. She offered no guidelines, nor financial support to strapped school districts. Her reply was that school districts nationwide needed to create their own safety schemes and realize that the federal government will cut off funds if schools fail to reopen. “I think the go-to needs to be kids in school, in person, in the classroom,” she said in an interview on CNN on July 12.

    This is nothing short of moral bankruptcy. The Trump administration is effectively demanding schools bend to its will, without offering a hint of expert guidance on how to do so safely, much less the necessary financing.
    I can’t correct for the latter failure, of course. But here’s some information that will be of use to the many rightfully concerned parents and educators across the United States.

    1. Should a national-scale school reopening be considered, at all?
    Emphatically, no. The state of Florida’s data shows that 13 percent of children who have been tested for the novel coronavirus were found to be infected, and there’s a gradient of infection downward with age: Only 16 percent of these positive cases are in children 1 to 4 years old, whereas 29 percent are in those 15 to 17 years old. In Nueces County, Texas, 85 children under age 2 have tested positive for the coronavirus since March, killing one of them. The infections were likely caught from parents or older siblings. A South Korean government survey of 60,000 households discovered that adults living in households that had an infected child aged 10 to 19 years had the highest rate of catching the coronavirus—more so than when an infected adult was present. Nearly 19 percent of people living with an infected teenager went on to test positive for the virus within 10 days. A Kaiser Family Foundation study says some 3.3 million adults over 65 in the United States live in a home with at least one school-aged child, putting the elders at special risk.
    A one-size policy absolutely does not fit all: School risk is a reflection of the larger coronavirus prevalence in a community. A blanket national school policy makes no sense whatsoever.

    2. Do school shutdowns work to slow the spread of COVID-19 in communities?
    Some studies of European countries that have successfully limited spread of the virus found that school opening has no impact on the epidemic, one way or another, at that stage of coronavirus containment. Of the more than 2000 blood samples examined in a German study, only 12 were able to detect antibodies, which corresponds to a share of well below one percent. This means that a silent, symptom-free infection in the pupils and teachers examined by us has so far occurred less frequently than we suspected. On the other hand, school closure appears to be an essential component of social distancing in places where the coronavirus runs rampant, such as in New York City this spring, or Miami today.

    3. What is the most crucial information that decision-makers must have in hand before opening schools?

    Ideally, school districts should first create voluntary cohorts of students, teachers, and staff to test for the coronavirus this summer to determine how rampant the virus may be in their respective communities. If rates of infection approach zero, schools may open—but the same cohorts should be retested periodically to spot increases in infection rates, upon which the schools should take action to stifle an outbreak through contact tracing, further testing, and isolating the infected staff and students at home for two weeks.

    Opening schools without such baseline data is like launching a new product line without initial focus-group testing to know what consumers will buy. It amounts to flying blind.

    4. How dangerous is COVID-19 for children?

    COVID-19 illness may be relatively rare in children, but it can be very severe, even fatal. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children or MIS-C associated with COVID-19 has been found to lead to “serious and life-threatening illness in previously healthy children and adolescents,” according to a study in the New England Journal of Medicine. MIS-C involves swelling, pain, and dysfunction in multiple organs in a child’s body, generally leads to hospitalization, and in has proven lethal in four of the recently reported American cases. By late May, two research groups had analyzed nearly 300 cases of MIS-C in at least 26 U.S. states. Less common are profound cardiovascular effects in infected teenagers, such as a 16-year-old Italian boy whose heart swelled, nearly killing him. Strokes, delirium, high fevers, and possible brain damage have all been seen in children, in addition to the range of adult COVID-19 symptoms.







    5. But aren’t kids suffering now, without being with other children, and failing to learn social skills?

    Yes. Peer socialization is crucial to kids’ understandings of everything from gender and race to hierarchy, power, etiquette, civic responsibility, generosity, friendship, love, violence, and self-awareness. Researchers warn that the isolation necessitated by the pandemic could lead to serious mental health issues in locked-down teenagers. Moreover, roughly 30 million kids in U.S. schools annually are enrolled in the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National School Lunch Program, receiving daily free meals. The Trump administration is currently at loggerheads with child advocacy groups and school districts over qualifications for free meals in reopening schools.
    Moreover, some 31 million kids in U.S. schools last year were in the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National School Lunch Program, receiving daily free meals. The national charity Feeding America says about one out of every four children, or 11.2 million, in the United States are now experiencing daily hunger due to the COVID-19 school closures.

    6. Can physical changes at schools—fewer kids per class, better airflow, everybody wearing masks—sufficiently increase safety for everybody?
    In communities with rampant spread of the coronavirus it’s not possible to guarantee safe classrooms. But where community infection rates are lower, any measures that increase airflow and reduce crowding and physical contact, coupled with required mask-wearing, will tremendously reduce viral spread. Here’s the key: 172 social distancing studies worldwide show that separating people by more than six feet could reduce viral spread by as much as 90 percent, and proper mask-wearing cuts the risk by a whopping 82 percent.

    7. So, what’s the problem? Just put 10 kids in a classroom instead of 30, put top-of-the-line filters on the air conditioning systems, have everybody wear masks, and voila: safe classrooms, no?
    The U.S. market for child-sized masks has always been stressed, and some states, such as California, have begun buying up such masks in anticipation of possible school reopenings. Moreover, requiring kids to wear masks for hours every day can prove frightening to some children, and it’s difficult to enforce. Nobody knows how full-time mask-wearing and in-class social distancing will affect children’s education and social skills, because nothing exactly like this has ever been attempted, especially for months on end.
    What’s clear is that smaller classes with better air filter systems cost money. Fairness quickly becomes an issue: Wealthy districts are more likely to have the resources to make such changes—and to pay for additional staff to accommodate more classes of fewer students. Communities with lower property tax bases are far less likely to have the money to adapt in this way to COVID-19.

    8. If you build it—spend all that money to make the air safe to breathe and spread the children out—will parents send their kids to school, and will teachers show up?
    The Trump administration’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration has taken an anti-regulatory stance, so there are no COVID-19 rules to protect school district employees. American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten predicts a massive wave of teacher retirements will unfold: “We’re going to see a huge brain drain in the next few weeks.” Many superintendents have already heard from teachers and staff union leaders that they may go on strike in coming weeks if ordered to work under conditions they feel are unsafe. This week the largest teachers union in Florida filed a lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis, charging his administration has not taken steps to ensure school safety.
    Parents face competing pressures to get back to their jobs, which means getting the kids out of the house—but they want their children to be safe. Balancing those interests is tough, even for the experts. The New York Times surveyed hundreds of disease experts, finding that 10 percent of respondents felt ready to send kids back to school right away, but, at the other end, 15 percent thought it best to wait more than a year. A new Kaiser Family Foundation poll of American adults finds that despite more than half of them saying the pandemic and lockdown have had a negative impact on their mental health, 60 percent of parents with kids in school believe schools should not reopen as long as the coronavirus continues to circulate in their communities, and only 34 percent think it’s wise to open classes sooner.

    9. What about justice? Poorer households are less likely to have access to high-speed internet, decent computers, and private rooms for each child, so they face more barriers to learning online. But they are also likely to go to school in districts that can’t afford to adapt to the coronavirus pandemic. Is there a way to avoid having the COVID-19 crisis spawn a lost generation effect, hitting especially hard in African American and Hispanic communities?
    Of all issues, this is the key reason why the Trump administration’s hands-off policy will fail. Leaving all decisions and mitigations regarding schools to local communities ensures shortages of funds and a lack of political commitment to the neediest. Without federal resources and financial support to create an even playing field, these kids will lose, regardless of whether schools are opened or remote learning continues. Many of them are going hungry now, in the absence of subsidized school meals, and, according to multiple surveys, have disappeared from remote schooling—various districts report that only around half of students log into online classes in an average day. Even in the best of times, their schools were the worst the United States had to offer, with crowded classes squashed into run-down facilities featuring inadequate or nonexistent air conditioning or winter heat.
    Since the earliest days of America’s COVID-19 catastrophe, the epidemic has put a magnifying glass on the nation’s unresolved problems and poor leadership. Schools all over the country have long been starved for resources, teachers have famously paid from their own meager salaries for classroom materials, and wide socioeconomic and racial divides have presented unfair obstacles to learning and advancement for millions of children.
    The virus didn’t create these problems. But any hope of vanquishing the coronavirus threat to American communities requires political and financial commitment to confronting the conditions of U.S. schools, from all government tiers, including in the White House. Without it, few communities will be able to ensure the continued education of the nation’s youth.


    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/24...l-catastrophe/

  29. #1589
    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    And adjusted for population density?
    It's not just that. Some places were unlucky to get hit first. No one was prepared. No one knew how to adequately combat the virus. The places getting hit now had time to get the right equipment, to create more hospitals spaces, and have months of data of how to keep covid patients alive.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  30. #1590
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's not just that. Some places were unlucky to get hit first. No one was prepared. No one knew how to adequately combat the virus. The places getting hit now had time to get the right equipment, to create more hospitals spaces, and have months of data of how to keep covid patients alive.
    Indeed, we know much more now about drugs that work to keep people alive, like Dexamethasone etc

    Also that ventilators are to be avoided if at all possible, whereas at the start people thought ventilators were the key to success.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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