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  1. #1681
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yes it is, especially when you're talking from low numbers.
    The numbers aren't that low. For each confirmed case, there's a much greater number of infected people who haven't been tested.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Important to highlight test positivity rate, but, for the purposes of this discussion, it's also important to disaggregate that data by location, eg. cities or regions currently seeing a surge in community transmission. The problem with not testing the majority of people who are infected remains. The defense of the test & trace programme is not persuasive; a well-functioning test-trace-isolate scheme aimed at curbing community transmission is vital to protecting the people involved in those "complex cases". Adequate surveillance of people in care homes etc. is the bare minimum, and comes very close to shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted; it should not count towards the NHS T&T's points.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  2. #1682
    The big mistake I think the government have made recently has been dropping quarantine and putting in the air bridges. Especially when we see the rate cases are rising in Spain, France etc

    We should be doing what New Zealand etc are doing and quarantining anyone who comes in until its time to lift all other restrictions. If people want a holiday, then I'm sure there's plenty of places in this country that could do with the business.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Nice article, although i would say that when you expand testing, generally more people who are less likely to be infected will be tested. So you'd expect the positivity rate to drop, not stay flat. That said, good to see it's not rising. Here unfortunately it is
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  4. #1684
    I agree, though it depends if the system is getting better and tracking and tracing - or finding hotspots - then you might get more targeted tests. But yes I think the positivity rate rising is one of the most worrying concerns of all as it means the situation is getting out of control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  5. #1685
    My covid test site duties today involve guarding a supply tent so the nurses don't steal PPE. Yep, the government doesn't trust the nurses who are on the front lines sticking swaps up infected people's noses to not steal an extra gown or face shield. And the guy delivering and inventorying all the PPE? Wearing no PPE, not even a mask.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  6. #1686
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I agree, though it depends if the system is getting better and tracking and tracing - or finding hotspots - then you might get more targeted tests.
    In the context of this pandemic, a high hit-rate almost necessarily implies inadequate control of community transmission. You miss too many pre-/paucisymptomatic carriers, and covid patients likely account for a higher share of all those with symptoms.

    Meanwhile, in the shithole of the West:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    If a picture from your hallway puts your school in a bad light, maaaybe the picture isn't the problem.

    Meanwhile, cases keep rising fast here
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  8. #1688
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    If a picture from your hallway puts your school in a bad light, maaaybe the picture isn't the problem.

    Meanwhile, cases keep rising fast here
    Coming weeks not looking good, no.

    Meanwhile, in the land of stable geniuses:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  9. #1689
    I expect there will be extremely embarrassing and costly fiascoes such as these in many countries:

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...37607444979721

    https://goodlawproject.org/news/ppe-...t-for-purpose/

    That's a lot of money wasted on cronyism and carelessness.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  10. #1690
    Some 250,000 bikers will be swarming into Sturgis, SD for their annual rally. 10 days & nights of concerts, food, and bar hopping. No mask requirements or social distancing. People coming from all over the US, then returning to their home state. Because they love FREEEEDOM! Good grief.

  11. #1691
    After a surge in COVID cases in Texas our death count is at 32 per 100k. What's New Jersey at? Oh yeah 179. NY at 168.

  12. #1692
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    After a surge in COVID cases in Texas our death count is at 32 per 100k. What's New Jersey at? Oh yeah 179. NY at 168.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #1693
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    After a surge in COVID cases in Texas our death count is at 32 per 100k. What's New Jersey at? Oh yeah 179. NY at 168.
    Still struggling with the always tricky concept of 'rate of change', huh.
    Sticks and stones take a toll on me but they aren't your strongest weaponry
    You can take your shots but you'd best prepare, I can see smoke rising in the air
    Every move has a counteract, to turn the tides with a planned attack
    You push me down and the rest will rise but first I'm singing a battle cry

  14. #1694
    Or simple things like population density etc.

    Seems to be some density between his ears.

    Also not to forget that treatment* has gotten a lot better now so morbidity rates are a lot lower now. It would be strange for cities and states to be hit significantly later on to have the same death rates as those that were overwhelmed early on.

    * Not hydroxychloroquine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #1695
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or simple things like population density etc.

    Seems to be some density between his ears.

    Also not to forget that treatment* has gotten a lot better now so morbidity rates are a lot lower now. It would be strange for cities and states to be hit significantly later on to have the same death rates as those that were overwhelmed early on.

    * Not hydroxychloroquine.
    I'm hearing a lot of excuses for the governors who chose to force nursing homes to accept covid patients. It only happened in a few states (NY and NJ included).

  16. #1696
    Sticks and stones take a toll on me but they aren't your strongest weaponry
    You can take your shots but you'd best prepare, I can see smoke rising in the air
    Every move has a counteract, to turn the tides with a planned attack
    You push me down and the rest will rise but first I'm singing a battle cry

  17. #1697
    Newsom is getting jittery...he just said California is the 5th largest economy in the nation. Pandemics make it hard to concentrate.
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  18. #1698
    Our Governor held a press conference today so he could compare his push for forcing schools to open with killing bin Laden...
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  19. #1699
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I'm hearing a lot of excuses for the governors who chose to force nursing homes to accept covid patients. It only happened in a few states (NY and NJ included).
    What's the excuse for governors in red states who *chose* opening bars, restaurants, hair salons, amusement parks, casinos, summer camps, gyms, and professional sports....before they had a comprehensive plan for opening public schools?

  20. #1700
    15 year old cousin in Ohio tested positive. She took the test 3 days ago after losing taste and smell and got the results today. Parents are pretty sure it came from their (now former) church.
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  21. #1701
    Hope she recovers fully, and didn't infect her family, teachers, or schoolmates (or fellow church members) who might not fare so well in the long run.

  22. #1702
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Hope she recovers fully, and didn't infect her family, teachers, or schoolmates (or fellow church members) who might not fare so well in the long run.
    Maybe I wasn't clear on this, the assumption is she contracted the virus via church activities. The church is already infected. Hence them quitting the church.
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  23. #1703
    I still hope they all recover fully, and don't have life-long chronic medical conditions that might shorten their lifespan.

  24. #1704
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    I still hope they all recover fully, and don't have life-long chronic medical conditions that might shorten their lifespan.
    Thanks. Their father, my first cousin, had picked the kids up a few times from church events and noted the lax social distancing. He even brought it to the attention of the church going as far as phoning the pastor and chewing him out, which did not sit well with his wife. She now feels bad for getting mad at him. And on top of that he has major COPD and sleeps with a CPAP.
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  25. #1705
    UK reimposing quarantine on people returning from France and a few other countries. I say again I think we should drop the air bridge idea and have quarantine with everyone who goes abroad anywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  26. #1706
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    UK reimposing quarantine on people returning from France and a few other countries. I say again I think we should drop the air bridge idea and have quarantine with everyone who goes abroad anywhere.
    Speaking of UK quarantines, I watched 'V for Vendetta' last night.
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  27. #1707
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  28. #1708
    Sometimes I really appreciate living in Boston.

    We attended a Zoom call the other evening where a consortium of local schools - one of which is where my daughter is starting kindergarten - was presenting their plan for reopening for in-person classes in two weeks. The call was run by the consortium's 'medical advisory board' they had put together to provide expert advice on reopening policies, and was composed entirely of parents of kids at the schools.

    The board included: The head of critical care and the co-director of the biocontainment unit (first made for ebola, then repurposed for covid) at the best children's hospital in the world. Three infectious disease experts at globally renowned hospitals, including an expert in handling the covid response for immunocompromised patients and an expert in population level surveillance of outbreaks. A top clinician-researcher in pediatric pulmonology, and clinician in pediatric pulmonology critical care.

    And these physicians were just parents who volunteered to pitch in and make a flexible, data-driven plan that would work for the entire consortium of schools. They made a solid case for the plan based on the available data to date and the school administrations seemed to be fully on board with executing to that plan - and it dovetailed closely with the Commonwealth's own guidance (some of these physicians also advise the governor on public health issues). It was immensely gratifying to hear and did a great job assuaging my concerns.

    I can't imagine how badly this would have gone in a different political environment, or with a parent body that was less engaged or with less relevant expertise.
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  29. #1709
    County has started free antibody testing today. It's a cluster fuck, we are completely overrun with so much traffic that we are blocking up the 6 lane highway we are stationed off of.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  30. #1710
    And... We ran out of tests, we were supposed to go till 4, it's only noon.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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