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  1. #1711
    Johns Hopkins' latest model predicts 310,000 US deaths by December (if we stay on this trajectory and don't change our behaviors). That's pathetic and tragic.

    There will also be thousands of people who survive the virus but have long-lasting or life-long damaging side effects. Sequelae that become pre-existing conditions. Which can preclude them from military service, or getting health insurance (if the ACA is overturned), or even life insurance policies. They will be disabled for the rest of their lives, will have a hard time finding a job, and won't find relief in our so-called safety net.

    The Trump administration should be condemned for portraying this novel virus as nothing more than seasonal flu. So should Fox News and Republican sycophants. (They can't be shamed, because they don't have a moral compass or guiding principle that puts people first.)

    I've been thinking about my youth, when smallpox and polio were the prevailing infectious diseases that scared the crap out of parents and Public Health officials. Followed by measles, mumps, and rubella. I don't quite know what's happened in the ensuing years that's made people doubt Epidemiology, Virology, or Public Health policies..... but it's disturbing to think thousands of people will have to suffer disabilities, and hundreds of thousands of people will have to die, before the general public -- and our government leaders --- takes covid-19 seriously.


  2. #1712
    These people are so... dumb:

    Last edited by Aimless; 08-22-2020 at 02:17 PM.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  3. #1713
    Good morning America!. Hello to Europe?

    Also, the "pro-life" movement waged by the religious right is just a farce.
    Last edited by GGT; 08-22-2020 at 12:17 PM.

  4. #1714
    Covid of the Rich and Famous...


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    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  5. #1715
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post

    The Trump administration should be condemned for portraying this novel virus as nothing more than seasonal flu. So should Fox News and Republican sycophants. (They can't be shamed, because they don't have a moral compass or guiding principle that puts people first.)
    -- and our government leaders --- takes covid-19 seriously.
    My only quibble is we really don't know the mortality rate. Within my own close family, we know who died and we have some confirmed cases. But the lack of testing means we aren't totally sure who got it. EG some of us shared a house and had confirmed cases (via antibody tests) but not everyone in those homes had it (or were symptomatic). So even within my own family, I can't calculate if the mortality is 10%, 25% or what. And of course you don't really get a mortality rate from such a small sample.

  6. #1716
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  7. #1717
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post

    Afaict this statement is not just wrong but incredibly wrong. Haven't looked into it in detail yet, but it looks like he's mistaken the relative risk reduction—with early vs. late treatment with convalescent plasma—with an absolute risk reduction for treatment with convalescent plasma.
    I assume Trump schedules transfusion for 1 hour before convention speech so he can brag how safe and effective it is. During the speech he will ingest two hydroxychloroquine capsules while drinking a bottle of water one handed.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  8. #1718
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    I assume Trump schedules transfusion for 1 hour before convention speech so he can brag how safe and effective it is. During the speech he will ingest two hydroxychloroquine capsules while drinking a bottle of water one handed.
    Shades of Obama drinking Flint water.

  9. #1719
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Shades of Obama drinking Flint water.
    Not even remotely similar.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  10. #1720
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  11. #1721
    F****** c***s
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  12. #1722
    School starts Monday. Parents were given a choice of eLearning or in school classes. County spilt pretty much 50/50 in their decisions.
    A lot of the parents who picked in school classes did it due to lack of resources for eLearning. Those parents are now freaking out because most of the teachers are requesting laptops for in school classes, because they don't want to be touching paper or sharing ANY resource. Last year's method of writing out assignments on paper and submitting a photo apparently won't be accepted because the learning platform the county has decided to go with this year doesn't have a working mobile solution.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  13. #1723
    Lewk seems to have gotten the memo that COVID isn't a league sport, he's stopped posting his table of country's figures. Or is there another reason he's not doing it anymore?

    At current trends the USA will overtake Europe per capita before November which is insane, since America is so much more naturally socially distanced and has such a tiny population density.

    Given the absence of American testing it wouldn't surprise me if the deaths already are higher.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  14. #1724
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Lewk seems to have gotten the memo that COVID isn't a league sport, he's stopped posting his table of country's figures. Or is there another reason he's not doing it anymore?

    At current trends the USA will overtake Europe per capita before November which is insane, since America is so much more naturally socially distanced and has such a tiny population density.

    Given the absence of American testing it wouldn't surprise me if the deaths already are higher.
    Official mortality figure is likely an undercount by tens of thousands of deaths. Similar issue in Europe, but likely not nearly to the same extent.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  15. #1725
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  16. #1726
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Lewk seems to have gotten the memo that COVID isn't a league sport, he's stopped posting his table of country's figures. Or is there another reason he's not doing it anymore?
    Because Texas now accounts for ~10% of total US infections.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  17. #1727
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Because Texas now accounts for ~10% of total US infections.
    You mean to tell us that confidently telling people that COVID is a hoax and that it is all under control so lockdown can end doesn't actually keep people safe? I'm shocked to my core.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  18. #1728
    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...-confidential/
    Florida Department of Health claims number of COVID-19 cases in schools is confidential
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  19. #1729
    Nice to see them really going down the transparency route. That will reassure parents.

    Our children go back to school next week. Chloe will be starting Year Two on Wednesday and Emily is starting school for the first time with Reception class on Friday.

    Due to social distancing I need to go in through separate gates to collect them and drop them off. For the first couple of weeks Emily will only be part time (they always do that with the Reception class, Chloe had the same two years ago) but after that with pick up and drop off being at the same time but through different gates I'm not sure how that's going to work.

    There will be no mixing between the years. Chloe has been excited for a long time to have her sister come to school and been saying they could play together at break times (I wonder when they'll grow out of that, I couldn't stand being near my brother at school) but they understand now that won't be happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  20. #1730
    https://www.ajc.com/news/university-...BEF3A6YAVMPRE/
    University of Alabama orders faculty to keep quiet about outbreak
    If professors become aware of an infection, ‘Do not tell the rest of the class,’ email instructs
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  21. #1731
    Same orders here. Not that they're fooling anyone.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  22. #1732
    I'm shocked.

    Who are these orders coming from? Are they coming from the University? Donors? State? Feds?

    Transparency is key to defeating this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #1733
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I'm shocked.

    Who are these orders coming from? Are they coming from the University? Donors? State? Feds?

    Transparency is key to defeating this.
    President, who gets their orders from the board overlooking the university system, who are in turn getting their orders from the governor. Achieving herd immunity is the unstated policy here.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  24. #1734
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  25. #1735
    US senator suggests doctors inflated covid death figures almost 20x to get more money. Because American conservatives aren't just dumb—they're also disgusting.

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  26. #1736
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    What a lot of people seem to forget is that a large amount of patients who recover have long term issues like fatigue, lung damage, trombosis, etc., and that's on top of the general side effects of being in the ICU for a while (which is also pretty bad for you). And that is also the case for patients who are young and do not have underlying health issues. So sure, it is correct that almost all patients who died (at least here) are old and/or have preexisting conditions, other patients can still be badly affected.

    And that's of course without even considering the effects of hospitals being overwhelmed.

    Overall I'm mostly amazed that this reasoning of old people should be allowed to die comes from the same side who freaked out about fictional death panels who would say old people should die because their healthcare is too expensive.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  27. #1737
    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    ...
    Overall I'm mostly amazed that this reasoning of old people should be allowed to die comes from the same side who freaked out about fictional death panels who would say old people should die because their healthcare is too expensive.
    USA #1!

    I'm amazed -- and disappointed -- at the CDC and FDA being politicized by the Trump administration. "Operation Warp Speed" and the race to get a vaccine first, even if it means bypassing critical research stages, right before an election, is a recipe for disaster.

    <See 1976 and the Swine Flu vaccine pushed out by the Ford administration that ended up being cancelled due to deaths and Guillain-Barre syndrome paralysis>

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/o...ine-trump.html

  28. #1738
    Deaths Per Million Population.

    Peru 908.68
    Belgium 866.57
    Spain 624.82
    United Kingdom² 624.37
    Chile 605.69
    Brazil 590.92
    Italy 587.39
    Sweden 571.53
    USA² 566.3
    Mexico 521.56

    Looks like Belgium finally gave up the top spot to Peru.

  29. #1739
    Must be difficult for you, Mister Insurance, to weigh the risks, calculate the premiums, and figure out your profit/loss margins. Those SSSocialist countries with Universal Healthcare are really fucking up your business model, huh. Now it's clear why you treat the disease like a game of chance.

  30. #1740
    Again it's not a sport but USA will be overtaking Sweden today (it probably already has but the data lags), will likely overtake Italy within the week and not long the UK and Spain. Interesting the selection of nations has changed so that countries like France no longer appear in the list.

    Considering how naturally socially distanced America is, it's going to end up with the worst death per capita rate of the first world probably. Maybe excluding Belgium which is a micronation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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