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  1. #1291
    "actual laws"
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  2. #1292
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I am in favor of peaceful protesters who obey the law. Always will be. Once you break the law, you are criminals and are treated as such. Now I'm not talking about jaywalking or some nonsense but actual laws such as assault, vandalism, burglary, battery etc.
    But not killing people?

    Remarkable you still can't bring yourself into criticising killing people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  3. #1293
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    "actual laws"
    You know what I meant - there are certain laws that are technically illegal but are never treated as serious crimes by the police, the public or anyone. IE jaywalking, going a couple of mph over the speed limit etc.

  4. #1294
    Lewk you're such a racist hypocrite no one understands your points. Where on your scale of "actual laws" would unlawful assembly fall? Or impeding the rights of emergency vehicles? Or failing to pay for toothpaste?
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 06-02-2020 at 01:19 AM.
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  5. #1295
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post





    French study about hydroxicloriquine. It seems journalist clinical studies do better than scientists. At this time, WHO telling us hydroxicloriquine does not work, while we know its politically adversarial position towards USA, diminishes WHO credibility.



    Also, you could blame WHO for late response to COVID worldwide.
    Jan 7. CDC establishes an improved tracking system.
    Jan 20. First COVID case in USA
    Jan 23. WHO said it was too soon to declare emergency. Source, WHO website.
    Jan 31. Trump bans travelers from China. WHO opposed.
    Mar 11. WHO declares emergency. WHO responded 40 days after Trump banned travel from China.



    And despite WHO being the one who reacted late, way after Trump, media still lies and bashes with gossipy attitude.
    How late did Trump react? He banned Chinese travelers 40 days BEFORE WHO declared emergency.



    Medical professionals of CCSS (Costa Rican NHS equivalent) defends the use of hydroxicloriquine. As you may know, Costa Rica has been very successful in mitigation. Also, if you see the official figures, in USA for each 1 dead there are 3 recovered (24% mortality) while Costa Rica has only 2%. If you are going to tell me mortality underestimates presymptomatic patients I will also say that death toll is also underestimated because hospitals do not test all dead people either. It looks that hydroxicloriquine is just a trashing tool to defame Trump.

    Last edited by ar81; 06-02-2020 at 03:16 AM.
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  6. #1296
    Spain reports about 43000 people dead due to COVID.
    Government promoted a huge march, ignoring social distancing.
    Government knew about the problem and the day after the march, they declared emergency.
    Virtue signaling that costs lives.
    Spanish people are very upset.





    Tell Spanish people that COVID is a flu, and you will see them upset.
    And yet look at US media.





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  7. #1297
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You know what I meant - there are certain laws that are technically illegal but are never treated as serious crimes by the police, the public or anyone. IE jaywalking, going a couple of mph over the speed limit etc.
    Misdemeanors is the word you're looking for in the American legal system.

    Trespassing is one of those too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    So. Is Tegnell going to resign? Or is being responsible for hundreds maybe thousands of deaths not a good enough reason?
    Congratulations America

  9. #1299
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    So. Is Tegnell going to resign? Or is being responsible for hundreds maybe thousands of deaths not a good enough reason?
    The entire group should be removed, but, so long as they have the support of the govt and a majority of Swedes, the pressure to resign can be withstood. Remember—their position is that they're right, and that they'll be proven right within a year or two.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The entire group should be removed, but, so long as they have the support of the govt and a majority of Swedes, the pressure to resign can be withstood. Remember—their position is that they're right, and that they'll be proven right within a year or two.
    I understand from the media they are no longer claiming they were entirely right and that their choices have caused more deaths than necessary (basically what most people outside Sweden already knew).
    Congratulations America

  11. #1301
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    I understand from the media they are no longer claiming they were entirely right and that their choices have caused more deaths than necessary (basically what most people outside Sweden already knew).
    His remarks have been somewhat mischaracterized. They're saying they mostly did the best they could've done, based on what they knew (note: as opposed to what everyone else suspected were plausible risks). They're not actually taking responsibility for the care home deaths, only saying they should've tested a little more at care homes. They're not conceding any real criticism re. suppression measures. The framing remains the same: we know a few more things now that, in hindsight, may have influenced policies to a small extent earlier on in the epidemic, but we're doing about as well as one could've expected, and everyone else will end up doing about as poorly as we have. It's not an acknowledgement that our approach was outright wrong—it's just an attempt to defuse the criticism by saying we have done a decent job, but that we could've done a little better. I'm being a little harsh, but his subsequent comments to Swedish media suggests he doesn't agree with the substantive criticism of analysis and strategy; he only regrets that it somehow turned out to be worse than they'd expected.
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  12. #1302
    Fascinating thread. The graph in Tweet 7 is shocking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #1303
    Georgia and Florida still doing better than NY and NJ by a massive margin.

  14. #1304
    Um, Georgia has about 70% as many cases as New York despite having half the population. Florida has roughly the same number of new per capita cases as New York. And there's the fact New York cases are decreasing, while the Georgia and Florida ones are not.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #1305
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Um, Georgia has about 70% as many cases as New York despite having half the population. Florida has roughly the same number of new per capita cases as New York. And there's the fact New York cases are decreasing, while the Georgia and Florida ones are not.
    The metric I'm suing is deaths per capita. So let's continue to monitor and see how the next month goes, my prediction is they get no where near the death rate in NY. How could it when they don't have governors incompetent enough to house Covid patients in nursing homes?

  16. #1306
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Misdemeanors is the word you're looking for in the American legal system.

    Trespassing is one of those too.
    First, IANAL and this may vary from state to state, but I actually think most of those would be civil infractions, which are even less serious than misdemeanors. Trespassing I believe is generally considered a misdemeanor and not a civil infraction.

  17. #1307
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The metric I'm suing is deaths per capita. So let's continue to monitor and see how the next month goes, my prediction is they get no where near the death rate in NY. How could it when they don't have governors incompetent enough to house Covid patients in nursing homes?
    That's a dumb metric. It reflects infections from weeks ago.

    If you don't realize what differences there might be between NY/NJ and far less urban and hotter states of the south, then you're truly hopeless.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  18. #1308
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The metric I'm suing is deaths per capita. So let's continue to monitor and see how the next month goes, my prediction is they get no where near the death rate in NY. How could it when they don't have governors incompetent enough to house Covid patients in nursing homes?
    You're a f###ing moron.

    What's the population density in Florida vs New York?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  19. #1309
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You're a f###ing moron.

    What's the population density in Florida vs New York?
    Deaths per capita is the fairest metric to use. Some states chose to live on top of each other like sardines... *shrugs* their choice and the risk associated with it.

  20. #1310
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That's a dumb metric. It reflects infections from weeks ago.

    If you don't realize what differences there might be between NY/NJ and far less urban and hotter states of the south, then you're truly hopeless.
    It is the only number that actually matters in the end. While yes it is a lagging indicator, but it will be what will ultimately be the measure of what state governors did well.

  21. #1311
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    It is the only number that actually matters in the end. While yes it is a lagging indicator, but it will be what will ultimately be the measure of what state governors did well.
    Right, Lewk.

    Hope is the denial of reality

  22. #1312
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Deaths per capita is the fairest metric to use. Some states chose to live on top of each other like sardines... *shrugs* their choice and the risk associated with it.
    What the f...

    You do understand it's not a fucking league sport or something?
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  23. #1313
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Right, Lewk.

    How's that look plotted per capita across the country? Raw numbers are meaningless in a state vs state comparison w/o per capita totals. And ultimately the number dead per capita is what matters, if TX is smarter about protecting old folks compared to NY that will reflect in the eventual data.

  24. #1314
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    What the f...

    You do understand it's not a fucking league sport or something?
    Yo, it's an election year. Examining which party is doing better in handling a pandemic is important when deciding how to cast your vote.

  25. #1315
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Yo, it's an election year. Examining which party is doing better in handling a pandemic is important when deciding how to cast your vote.
    And you think you're doing this by making it 'fair' by dumbly looking at one number and ignoring all other bits of information?
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  26. #1316
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    And you think you're doing this by making it 'fair' by dumbly looking at one number and ignoring all other bits of information?
    Its the ultimate metric. I suppose you could add things like "long term physical problems due to covid" but the data gets messy. Other variables are of course important to look at *for other reasons* such as state re-openings, preparing hospitals for surges etc but in the end if one state has twice as many cases but half as many deaths (unlikely) the deaths are what matter.

  27. #1317
    Wait till you find out how messy the death data across states is.
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  28. #1318
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Its the ultimate metric. I suppose you could add things like "long term physical problems due to covid" but the data gets messy. Other variables are of course important to look at *for other reasons* such as state re-openings, preparing hospitals for surges etc but in the end if one state has twice as many cases but half as many deaths (unlikely) the deaths are what matter.
    It's not the ultimate metric. Avoidable deaths etc are which means taking other factors into account. Eg is there an avoidable second peak in the virus because they screwed up etc
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  29. #1319
    Think about who this virus is hitting hardest and whose lives Lewk values least.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  30. #1320
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    What the f...

    You do understand it's not a fucking league sport or something?
    This sums it up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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