Vaccines going to the third world
Fantastic news.
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Vaccines going to the third world
Fantastic news.
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Honestly a little funny how personally he keeps taking this. Kudos the Serum Institute of India
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
How personally who is taking what?
Interesting story, hopefully before too long European politicians set their hubris to one side and learn some lessons. Lives are at stake. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...llout-12227957
Not looking likely yet when still peddling these unbelievable lies. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...rsula-von-der/
"Hugo", and everything that has to do with AstraZeneca. I guess "International vaccine fund COVAX pays Serum Institute of India to produce 600,000 doses of Oxford's vaccine for Ghana" doesn't have a sufficiently jingoistic ring to it
"Germany's top-selling newspaper" aka. "Germany's equivalent of the Daily Mail, the Daily Mirror and the Express"Interesting story, hopefully before too long European politicians set their hubris to one side and learn some lessons. Lives are at stake. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...llout-12227957
Which of her statements do you believe are lies?Not looking likely yet when still peddling these unbelievable lies. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...rsula-von-der/
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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yeah I think I'm in favour.
For international travel - probably moreso. I see Greece is already considering vaccination passport checks to allow UK residents to visit.
Domestically - why not. If it will allow me in to a stadium to see the rugby or in to a venue to see a band or a concert, bring it on. And if it prevents those who are not vaccinated from doing the same, why do i care. Assuming that is they are not vaccinated through refusal and not some other reason. I've not heard of a valid reason why someone couldn't get a vaccination.
The paper was refreshing to read, it was fairly competently analyzed and executed. I have some quibbles on their exclusion criteria and look forward to seeing some analysis on particularly vulnerable subgroups like nursing home residents that were excluded. I also look forward to longer term followup.
It's fascinating if you dig into the paper you'll see that the CIs are still huge for some of the outcomes, even with a 1 million+ patient sample. There were so few events in the relatively short reporting time that CIs are still pretty broad. It was good to see that any really deleterious outcomes like hospitalization, severe covid, death, etc. pretty much dropped to zero by 28-35 days.
I really wish that more real-world data was reported this cleanly.
"When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)
I don't know about this vaccine, but for others I think immunological disorders are medical reasons to avoid vaccines (which is no problem if the rate is high enough for herd immunity).
I would have some concerns depending on how it would be implemented, to be honest. For things like rugby and concerts, sure, but you do have to make sure it won't be abused.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
People with valid medical excuses can get a variant of the same passport.
Hope is the denial of reality
More good news from Pfizer
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Humanity is going to beat this bug with these jabs.
In other news the percentage of the UK now saying they either have been vaccinated or want to be vaccinated when its their turn is now up to 94% that is a brilliant figure.
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Great news. Remarkably terrible that many European nations are still refusing to use a vaccine that is working for those who are aged over 65 - the very people who need it most and whose lives are being saved here.
Wondering when we'll see California-Franco-German vaccine hesitancy be a main limiting factor, instead of supply.
How about the claim the EU is "catching up" on the United Kingdom's vaccine rollout. Bizzare definition of "catching up" you must have if that didn't raise red flags as a lie.
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Note that chart is doses administered, not first doses administered, so dosing regimen doesn't affect that chart.
Not that I am overly interested, but merely dispensing a first injection isn't exactly the same as a person fully immunized.
Congratulations America
Of course its not, nor is leaving someone unvaccinated the same as giving them a first injection. *shrug*
Whether first or second vaccines the UK has done roughly five times as many doses per capita as the EU have whether first or second. The UK doing more first is a choice, but that doesn't explain doing five times as many and there's no honest way to say that the EU is "catching up". It has as much integrity as if Boris was to say we were catching up with Israel - why bother saying such a preposterous lie?
I've notice a number of European commentators looking to act as if only those with two doses count which is patently absurd, this isn't a pissing contest but even if it was then setting that metric up as the important one is not going to look good in Europe's favour in a few weeks time. Why some people are constitutionally incapable of admitting the UK is doing better on this, accepting that and moving on is beyond me.
I'm not upset Israel is doing better, it is what it is so what's the problem? Why tell lies?
The EU's priority is full immunization. This should've been clear from that paragraph you're talking about. By that metric, EU countries have not only "caught up" but passed the UK. You're focusing on a metric that the EU isn't focusing on. As always, RB, it helps to read the articles you link to.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
On full immunizations even the Netherlands have surpassed the UK. Which is kind of telling.
It's nice that Brexit enables them to experiment with the health of the entire nation, but I'm not sure it's a freedom I envy them for. It used to be a prerogative of third world countries.
Congratulations America
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
It's an insanely stupid lie of a claim. Just because you're concentrating on full immunisations doesn't mean you have "caught up" it means that despite having done a tiny fraction of the doses you have marginally more fully vaccinated. So long as you then ignore everybody else.
Claiming that you're doing a different path is one thing but lies about catching up are just dumb lies. You would never let Lewk get away with claiming something so dishonest but you have the audacity to defend that with a straight face?
You have lost all your integrity and moral fibre.
PS it's also ridiculous to set that as the target if you want a pissing contest because just wait a few weeks until the UKs second doses become due and then compare. It's not going to be a pretty comparison but no doubt you'll find a new line to take by then.
I understand reading is a skill that still eludes you, but the paragraph in question makes it clear that the "catching up" remark refers to full immunizations. Your illiteracy doesn't make other people liars. This isn't the first time you've lost your shit over something you haven't read—let alone vetted—properly, but it's getting increasingly tiresome.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You're the illiterate one. The sentence was a lie pure and simple and going on to refer to "full immunisations" is a distraction that plays into the lie.
That lie is the sort of thing you would laugh at if it came from Fox News. It is an untruth as pathetic as Trump's "alternative facts" but it shouldn't be a shock to see you excusing these lies as you are just as much a dishonest hack as any Republican is. You have lost all your integrity in recent months on this thread, getting bent out of shape to justify inexcusable lies as well as complete failures of judgement.
Tellingly the remark about Italy was preceded by the lines "We're catching up. Britain has administered 17 million first doses. There are 27 million in the EU." Yes 27 million in the EU is more than 17 in the UK to make it sound like its evidence for her "catching up" claim, while completely glossing over the fact that the EU population is over 6x the UKs. Then again you knew that, because you justified the EU spending about 1/6th on facilitating vaccine procurement as the UK did because of the EU's bigger size - while disregarding the fact that vaccinating Europe promptly wouldn't cost the same as vaccinating the UK would.
I think you should stop pointing out flaws in American conservatives as you're just as bad, entirely incapable of spotting blatant lies on your side of the pond.
I have often noticed that you have difficulties understanding the meaning of words in the context of the sentences that include them, and similar difficulties understanding sentences in the context of the paragraphs that include them. It seems you don't really understand any texts at the paragraph level, let alone in their entirety. I'm sure this works for you in your everyday life, but it makes you next to useless in any sort of written discussion. I feel like I'm talking to an unusually thick child and it's giving me no pleasure at all. If you want to participate in a written discussion that frequently references written material such as articles, the very least you can do is to try to understand that material at the paragraph level.
As always, you are misremembering, due to your difficulties with reading. Please revisit that exchange and try to read it like a person who can understand basic English sentences. I can't really engage with your stupid fantasies; they are too many and too confused.Then again you knew that, because you justified the EU spending about 1/6th on facilitating vaccine procurement as the UK did because of the EU's bigger size - while disregarding the fact that vaccinating Europe promptly wouldn't cost the same as vaccinating the UK would.
I understand why this new angle appeals to you, but, the problem is, you don't understand the substance of what you're saying. Your long track record of reflexively defending the English Trump and his lies, deception, antidemocratic behaviour and bigotry—coupled with your own track record of lies, deception, antidemocratic attitudes and bigotry—makes these clumsy attacks just seem desperate. You have failed to understand the substance of the criticism against eg. Trump and his English counterpart Johnson, and so you think calling someone "Trumpian" is just a generic insult you use against someone who is your political enemy. I can see how an idiot might think that way, but it's difficult to take it seriously in a discussion about substantive matters. Over and over again, you get pissed off about something you haven't read properly and therefore failed to understand, and, when it's explained to you, you get even more pissed off because you can't deal with your idiocy in a healthy way. The way you're carrying on, I'm half expecting you to storm the Capitol any day now.That lie is the sort of thing you would laugh at if it came from Fox News. It is an untruth as pathetic as Trump's "alternative facts" but it shouldn't be a shock to see you excusing these lies as you are just as much a dishonest hack as any Republican is. You have lost all your integrity in recent months on this thread, getting bent out of shape to justify inexcusable lies as well as complete failures of judgement.
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I think you should stop pointing out flaws in American conservatives as you're just as bad, entirely incapable of spotting blatant lies on your side of the pond.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Taking a break from bashing my head against the brick wall of illiteracy for a moment, I can report that, with the third wave ahead of us, tens of thousands of Swedes from all over the country have decided to travel—many by train—to crowded ski resorts for a week (over sports break) based on inaccurate and misleading statements from our ministry of public health implying that this won't increase covid transmission. A number of preschools have therefore decided to remain closed for a week following sports break, to reduce likelihood of kids infecting each other or staff. Many of the arguments against stricter control measures have revolved around concerns about kids in difficult social and economic circumstances, who will no doubt benefit from having to stay home for another week because some other kids' families decided going skiing during a pandemic was absolutely necessary.
My own region has seen a recent surge in cases and hospitalizations, so one of my wards is now primarily a covid ward, and one of the others is at capacity due to doubling as an overflow ward for several other clinics. Most doctors at my clinic have now received their first dose (not me though, due to scheduling issues). Initially, we expected around 1 in 3 would have to stay home due to post-vaccination fever, but now it looks like half or more get fever, chills and other difficult side-effects lasting anything from 1 to 3 days. At some clinics, almost every member of the staff that has been vaccinated has had to stay home for one or more days. We're trying to mitigate this problem through careful scheduling, but it's not easy, and it really caught some clinics in other regions by surprise. Doesn't seem to be an issue with specific batches or clearly correlate with prior covid. Might be cultural, I guess... or reflect pre-existing immunity to part of the vector? Who knows.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Just because you throw school ground insults around doesn't justify your alternative facts approach to reality.
You're making it bloody obvious now. You degenerate into insulting others just like the Trumpist you are. These ad hominem "you don't read" arguments are your Crooked Hillary/Sleepy Joe lines to displace from the fact that not only did I read it properly but I've demolished your falsehoods so comprehensively you have no actual retort. So you leap to insults instead because subconsciously you know I'm right, you're wrong and you have no actual response to make other than flapping insults. Pathetic.
You're not capable of reply without the as hominems as you know you've lost the argument. Because the real facts, not your alternate ones, are on my side.
I have explained your failures to read, in detail, on many occasions. There comes a point where nothing more can be gained from trying to help you. Given that you literally tried to push a conspiracy theory about how the corrupt EU corruptly favored Sanofi to placate the French, maybe you should sit your Fox News host ass down
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
A friend of mine once assisted during an operation, at the end of which he said he thought the procedure went well—to which the surgeon replied that my friend did not yet have the necessary knowledge and skills to determine whether or not it went well. It was a mean and dickish thing to say, but it was also correct; the procedure hadn't actually gone as well as one would've liked. Today, my friend is a good surgeon, and better able to determine the quality of an operation. I have thought about this story on many occasions over the course of this thread, as you have presented your opinion on various studies and scientific arguments and things written in English that you think you've "demolished".
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You've done no such thing, you've just lashed out time and again as either deliberately or subconsciously you know you're on a sticky wicket and have lost the argument so you're getting more and more desperate. Signing Sanofi when it wasn't even in Phase III trials yet while being many months late to the party for those that were already in Phase III was a terrible failure, exactly as I called it out. That you call it a conspiracy theory doesn't make it such.
There was no justification to delay signing Phase III contracts but proceeding apace with Sanofi and that incompetence has led to you being miles behind the USA, UK and Israel etc.
Oh wait, you're not. In your mind you've caught up with the UK now so all is fine and dandy.