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  1. #691
    Nothing to worry about, we have Stable Genius-in-Chief taking care of things and looking closely at implementing the playbook laid out by Hungary.
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    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  2. #692
    A politician who just doesn't know how to not lie:



    Not even in a time where truthfulness is more important than ever.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Yeah, isn't it lovely how he uses the projections of suppression to 'disprove' the projections of doing nothing.

    I don't consider the man intelligent enough to cobble together a lie.
    Congratulations America

  4. #694
    It's worse than that... wrong research group, but also wrong number. Doubly wrong. Apparently he's given up Twitter for Lent but he's still good with lying.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  5. #695
    Shame the end of the article was cut off but it's correct to keep in mind the opportunity cost of any actions taken - and to ensure any necessary but temporary Draconian state powers remain temporary.

    The emergency legislation that was passed put forth the most Draconian Police powers ever put forward, the largest state seizure of power since the Dark Ages. Larger even than WWII.

    It's often joked that during the Napoleonic War a temporary tax was put in place called Income Tax and the rest is history. We must keep a track on the seizure by the state of powers during this pandemic and ensure when it is safe to do so those powers are relinquished.

    The pandemic is serious but fighting it must not come at the cost of permanently curtailing hard won liberties. This must not be a Reichstag Fire incident.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  6. #696
    There is no interest group in society that's going to want these measures kept in place a minute longer than necessary. The public will want their lives back, business will want people back to work and spending to make money for them. If anything, the concern would be ending the measures too early because it looks like we're on the right track, and then seeing a second flare up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Shame the end of the article was cut off but it's correct to keep in mind the opportunity cost of any actions taken - and to ensure any necessary but temporary Draconian state powers remain temporary.

    The emergency legislation that was passed put forth the most Draconian Police powers ever put forward, the largest state seizure of power since the Dark Ages. Larger even than WWII.

    It's often joked that during the Napoleonic War a temporary tax was put in place called Income Tax and the rest is history. We must keep a track on the seizure by the state of powers during this pandemic and ensure when it is safe to do so those powers are relinquished.

    The pandemic is serious but fighting it must not come at the cost of permanently curtailing hard won liberties. This must not be a Reichstag Fire incident.
    Interesting how little you trust your Conservative government. Do you seriously think that your PM needs an article that denies the seriousness of the situation to understand that it would not be diligent to throw out the baby with the bathwater?
    Congratulations America

  8. #698
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    How relevant to the reality of what is happening is that piece of footage? How relevant is the deluge of misinformation that Fox News is spewing over the nation? You loose buddy, you think it's business as usual in the midst of a crisis of biblical proportions. Nobody gives a fuck about your jihad against 'liberal bias' when people are dying by the hundreds and the entire health system is being overwhelmed. I do know what the cold type of behavior you show leads to in times of crisis. You will know it yourself when it's no longer liberals struggling with this pandemic but your own sorry lot. This virus doesn't care much for political affiliation, but it's awfully fond of killing fat people by drowning them in their own fluids.
    First time I've been called loose during an internet discussion.

  9. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Ah but remember, Lewk thinks it IS a hoax, and wildly overblown and things like this "liberal media bias" throwing up "fake footage" is how it's being perpetrated. Because it's not like HE'S likely to die from the coronavirus.
    Negative ghost rider. The China Virus isn't a hoax (though it is a hoax that Trump implied the virus was a hoax). I can admit my predictions were unfortunately wrong in terms of how widespread and deadly the disease would be. China covered up a lot of it and it wasn't until Italy started to go to shit that we realized how bad this could get. Trump actually took some wise precautions such as banning travel to China at the same time the WHO said that it wasn't necessary. A week after that took placed Pelosi was encouraging people to attend public events. Two weeks after that NY politicians were encouraging people to continue dining out. Politicians, pundits and yes even doctors were varying degrees of wrong on their predictions.

  10. #700
    This is the type of shit that gets encouraged when you call pandemics hoaxes
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...y/2355727/?amp
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  11. #701
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I second Aimless. What the heck is wrong with you? Most of my family lives in NYC. At least one family member has the virus, and I can freaking assure you that it's impossible to get into a hospital there right now as long as you're incapable of breathing on your own. It's also virtually impossible to get appointments with GPs, who are totally swamped. But sure, trust your Dear Leader and his band of anti-life psychopaths. It's not like they lie every time they open their mouth. Let's pretend an innocent mistake is indicative of some major conspiracy to make the freaking worst president in American history (he's earned the title with his coronavirus response) look bad. Like he needs any help.
    Agreed! What's wrong with Lewk is he's been listening to Trump FakeSpeak and Fox News. What's scary is that millions of others do, too.

    <I hope your family is doing okay, Loki. And Aimless, good luck with your mom!>



    edit: It's about time Florida got with the program. Hope it's not too late...
    Wonder what he'll do about the cruise ships with sick (and dead) people hoping to dock?

    On that note, I wonder what the Navy will do about their battle ships with sick sailors? It's pathetic that an Admiral has to beg for help.
    AND that Trump used the Coronavirus Task Force briefing to have the DoD brag about the war on drugs, and The Wall.
    Last edited by GGT; 04-02-2020 at 03:52 AM.

  12. #702
    It's clear that association with Fox rots the brain:

    Last edited by Aimless; 04-02-2020 at 07:39 AM.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  13. #703
    Well, even Swedes are taking risks that can't be blamed on Fox News.

  14. #704
    Sorry, I was referring to the thread and Hume's endorsement of it, not to the tweet. Updated my post.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  15. #705
    And I was saying that even you (a physician) can't convince your mother to change her behavior, even tho it puts her in an (even) higher risk group. Fox News has nothing to do with that...

  16. #706
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  17. #707
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The irony of you posting this so soon after your asinine take on "suppression"... can't help but wonder if you've even read it.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  18. #708
    haha, it's so fun to make our failures funny, but the timing is off

  19. #709
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    And I was saying that even you (a physician) can't convince your mother to change her behavior, even tho it puts her in an (even) higher risk group. Fox News has nothing to do with that...
    I think you have misunderstood my mother's attitude towards this, and therefore drawn a parallel that isn't informative. My mother is not reckless, any more than any other person her age willing to work with sick patients during a pandemic that puts them at high risk of harm, or any other person who has nobody to help them where they live. It's not irrational to want to work with sick people even if it puts you at higher risk of harm.

    However, that has nothing to do with the thread I posted about. The thread calls into question NYC's reported numbers of covid19 deaths on the basis of, well, a stupid and ignorant analysis. Hume, a popular Fox contributor, endorsed this stupid and ignorant analysis, unfairly undermining solidarity with NYC when the city needs solidarity more than ever.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  20. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The irony of you posting this so soon after your asinine take on "suppression"... can't help but wonder if you've even read it.
    No point going round in circles again but my take on suppression was based upon the government and media's definition of containment v suppression v mitigation.

    The report you quoted gave suppression or mitigation as the only options and not containment. What you defined as suppression I'd define as containment and if we're talking cross-purposes with different definitions then that's the issue with the English language, words can mean multiple things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  21. #711
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    I think you have misunderstood my mother's attitude towards this, and therefore drawn a parallel that isn't informative. My mother is not reckless, any more than any other person her age willing to work with sick patients during a pandemic that puts them at high risk of harm, or any other person who has nobody to help them where they live. It's not irrational to want to work with sick people even if it puts you at higher risk of harm.
    But you agree that it's not wise to travel 2-3 hours on public transportation, because that poses a greater risk for anyone, especially for senior citizens, and if your country's policies aren't grounded in scientific models around social distancing, it's an ever greater risk. Right? Otherwise you wouldn't worry.

    I'm not criticizing your mother's humanitarian instincts. She sounds like a jewel. The only thing that's irrational -- or reckless -- are policies that don't protect people like her (or you, for that matter) and it sounds like Sweden hasn't done a better job at that than the US.

    Developed nations have failed miserably during this covid-19 crisis, but it can't *all* be blamed on Fox News, or even Trump. Those are just symptoms of larger, systemic, global problems that have been festering for decades, even generations.

  22. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    There is no interest group in society that's going to want these measures kept in place a minute longer than necessary. The public will want their lives back, business will want people back to work and spending to make money for them. If anything, the concern would be ending the measures too early because it looks like we're on the right track, and then seeing a second flare up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Interesting how little you trust your Conservative government. Do you seriously think that your PM needs an article that denies the seriousness of the situation to understand that it would not be diligent to throw out the baby with the bathwater?
    Related posts but yes I don't trust the Civil Service, especially the Home Office - and I don't regardless of politics. I am not a partisan hack and don't believe in "my party right or wrong" - I quite consistently opposed the party I'd normally support last year because it was going against what I believe in.

    There are always some who believe 'why let a good crisis go to waste' - even to the disgusting point of on the day of 9/11 a then government advisor said it was "a good day to bury bad news". A lot of powers that I would 100% oppose in normal circumstances have been taken and given to the Police - many in the Police and the Home Office etc will want some of those powers to remain after this pandemic is history.

    Under no circumstances can that be permitted. The law has been changed more than just to have a lockdown - and all of that must be tracked and reversed afterwards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  23. #713
    Freeeedom! *cough*

  24. #714
    Freedom matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #715
    What powers are you concerned might be retained, exactly?
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  26. #716
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    The UK having a higher per capita rate of testing depends on what the other countries the news source decided to cherry pick for their graph are, the purpose of which is to show how bad the US is failing at this. I (can't be bothered to) find a full data set that's easily
    Funny story.

    Coronavirus: Health experts 'frustrated' by low UK virus testing
    When the sky above us fell
    We descended into hell
    Into kingdom come

  27. #717
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  28. #718
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    What powers are you concerned might be retained, exactly?
    For a start: It has been made illegal to refuse to co-operate with the Police or to refuse to answer a Police officers questions or to refuse to follow an officers instructions.

    Do you see see any concerns with that if any element of that was kept post-coronavirus?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  29. #719
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I agree with you 100% on this. What was a strength has absolutely now become a major weakness.

    There is a global shortage of reagents etc to produce tests but everything must be done to ramp up production. Also PHE must decentralise it.

    Just as there was an effort to ramp up production of ventilators which extended to companies that had never previously done it including the likes of Dyson and McClaren etc the same should happen with testing. Whatever can be done should be mobilised to ramp up testing as fast as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  30. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Action now would be later than ideal but is never too late. The US is much bigger than the European nations so per capita its not so bad - yet - and the USA has many major structural advantages over Europe that means it should spread less than in Europe, but inaction means it will probably spread more in the end.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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