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    Last edited by GGT; 03-28-2020 at 01:31 AM.

  2. #32
    An interesting article regarding what pandemics can teach us - and perhaps, to ponder on how much we actually learn.
    "The Lessons of the Pandemic", Science, May 30, 1919
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/49/1274/501.full.pdf
    It would be nice if we could get to a place where our community didn’t need a constant stream of fresh corpses to remind it how to behave.

    "Science and faith are fundamentally incompatible, and for precisely the same reason that irrationality and rationality are incompatible. They are different forms of inquiry, with only one, science, equipped to find real truth. And while they may have a dialogue, it's not a constructive one. Science helps religion only by disproving its claims, while religion has nothing to add to science." - J.A.Coyne

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  4. #34
    Link works just fine
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  5. #35
    I'm not getting anything, not even when I copy/paste the link to a new window.

  6. #36
    I've clicked on the link, I've highlighted it and hit ctrl-C, I've right-clicked and told it to open the link in a new tab. All worked. I suppose you could be running into some privacy or protection setting you don't remember on your browser but my own settings and script blocks are on the restrictive side and I'm still not having any problems.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Broken link?
    Try this instead:

    https://science.sciencemag.org/node/446365.full

    There's a weird bug with links to pdfs on some sites that I always forget how to fix, if the pdf link on that page doesn't work lemme know.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  8. #38
    I'm not getting any alert about my settings, it just literally goes nowhere. I'm sure it's an error on my end. It sucks to feel stupid, apologies for the tangent.

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Try this instead:

    https://science.sciencemag.org/node/446365.full

    There's a weird bug with links to pdfs on some sites that I always forget how to fix, if the pdf link on that page doesn't work lemme know.
    That worked! Thanks! But I can only read the first page of the PDF. I'm doing something wrong. omg
    Last edited by GGT; 03-30-2020 at 11:29 PM.

  10. #40
    Since I'm an old geezer who can't figure out how to read PDF articles let me take this opportunity to suggest some "old school" medical techniques that might be useful in today's pandemic where PPE is in short supply:

    1) a return to autoclaving and sterilization
    2) materials that can be re-used, instead of one-use disposables
    3) using low tech ventilators vs computerized models

    4) giving medical personnel locker rooms and showers, so they can dress/undress before and after work
    5) providing physicians and nurses with overnight facilities between shifts

    PS, I think it's crazy that "medical professionals" have to buy their own scrubs, and/or that wearing scrubs means you're a "medical professional". I've seen ppl wearing scrubs pumping gas and ordering fast food along with folks who wear bedroom slippers as street shoes.
    Last edited by GGT; 03-31-2020 at 12:47 AM.

  11. #41
    I also think it's crazy that states and FEMA are competing against one another for supplies. If this is really a WAR, then our commander in chief is an abject failure. That's not a political statement but a statement of fact. It's hard to admit that the US is no longer a global leader, but it's the truth.

  12. #42
    Life, Liberty, and Freeedom are human concepts. Just like equality and justice, and even Democracy. Germs don't work operate on these same principles -- and frequently confound the human species. They can mutate, become resistant to antibiotics, and even change their RNA to resist vaccines. Clever little critters.

    Instead of humans fighting one another (for political reasons) maybe it's high time we take "germs" seriously, and collaborate on a global scale? The first step, of course, would be agreeing that science matters. The US used to be a leader that way, but it's taken some serious hits in recent years (as we've let the Republican Party portray science as a bastion of "liberal beliefs".)

    I'm not sure if we'll be successful, since the US has groups (on both sides) that think vaccines for mumps, measles, or rubella are more harmful than good, and might even cause autism We don't even take advantage of seasonal Flu vaccines, because we don't really see the Flu as a real threat. We think there's an over-zealous attempt to vaccinate for everything, even chicken pox. We've lost trust in vaccinations --- and even Public Health --- over the years because we've lost faith in science.

    It's going to be pretty hard to change that attitude, even in the after-math of covid19. But I hope we can, and will...

  13. #43
    Oooh another lesson. Reusable bags, containers etc are out - one use and toss are back in!

    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/49...onavirus-fight

  14. #44
    Lewk, why are you criticizing a nuanced and nimble flexibility in bureaucratic decisions? Shouldn't you be glad that policies can change and adapt, based on what's happening in real time? Maybe you're just trolling, hard to tell.

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