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  1. #841
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
    I mean some things happened between his ouster and this election... not sure Starmer or Labour can take credit for the British right's electoral self-destruction - that honor belongs to the Tories and to Reform.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  3. #843
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
    Given that the Labour share of the vote is 33.7%, up just 1.6% from the alleged worst defeat ever in 2019 and actually less votes in absolute terms, and 7% lower than in 2017, probably pretty vindicated.

    I'd be looking pretty seriously at PR if I was Labour right now.
    Rumours heard from a little black bird
    The edges of the prophacy, the pieces I have learned
    Said the daughter of the reaper has been searching for the keeper
    And I fear she'll let me burn

  4. #844
    That's a silly take. A lot of people who'd normally vote Labour voted Green, Lib Dem or independent because they knew Labour would win. Reform also took votes from across the political spectrum (a lot of their "Tory" votes are Labourites who defected to the Tories over Brexit).

  5. #845
    Ah, so what we're doing here is getting meta, going deep into the weeds and looking at extenuating circumstances that might explain the low Labour vote in 2024, but we're ignoring them in 2019 (the Brexit party straight up not contesting Tory seas and thus only taking votes off Labour, Brexit itself, sabotage and hostility from inside Labour, etc) and simply saying it was all down to Corbyn without any further analysis, because you already didn't like Corbyn, because he doesn't match your personal politics. Also, we're ignoring him getting 40% in 2017, because that also doesn't fit with what you already decided. And we're also ignoring Labour getting 29% and 30% in the two previous elections, because that again doesn't fit with the idea that getting Corbyn getting 32% in 2019 means leftist politics are doomed forever. This is truly sharp stuff, I can see how you made a career in academia.
    Rumours heard from a little black bird
    The edges of the prophacy, the pieces I have learned
    Said the daughter of the reaper has been searching for the keeper
    And I fear she'll let me burn

  6. #846
    You could come up with all kinds of poor arguments for why Corbyn didn't underperform (hint: in a highly competitive election, people who'd normally vote third party end up voting for the lesser of two evils), but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #847
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    (hint: in a highly competitive election, people who'd normally vote third party end up voting for the lesser of two evils),
    It is impossible to explain why leave voting areas full of non-traditional Tory voters would vote for the Brexit Party in an election dominated by Brexit. It can only be because everyone hates socialism.

    but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
    It's true, no other political leader had ever lost an election until 2019.
    Rumours heard from a little black bird
    The edges of the prophacy, the pieces I have learned
    Said the daughter of the reaper has been searching for the keeper
    And I fear she'll let me burn

  8. #848
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87rgj4e0rzo

    the motherfucker is still ​on ID cards
    Rumours heard from a little black bird
    The edges of the prophacy, the pieces I have learned
    Said the daughter of the reaper has been searching for the keeper
    And I fear she'll let me burn

  9. #849
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87rgj4e0rzo

    the motherfucker is still ​on ID cards
    Sir Tony brought in legislation for compulsory identity cards when he was in office but the scheme was scrapped by the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government.
    Lmao
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  10. #850
    They were trying to get those things through for like half their time in power.
    Rumours heard from a little black bird
    The edges of the prophacy, the pieces I have learned
    Said the daughter of the reaper has been searching for the keeper
    And I fear she'll let me burn

  11. #851
    One must never underestimate social democracy's total commitment to loser shit
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  12. #852
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Two countries celebrated freedom from Tory rule yesterday fully expect Starmer to fumble this opportunity to advance British social democracy in a desperate quest to nab a few dozen Reform voters, but I hope grassroots orgs can compensate for that and build a solid platform for future Labour victories. Wonder how British forumites voted
    Labour.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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