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  1. #841
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
    I mean some things happened between his ouster and this election... not sure Starmer or Labour can take credit for the British right's electoral self-destruction - that honor belongs to the Tories and to Reform.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  3. #843
    I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
    Given that the Labour share of the vote is 33.7%, up just 1.6% from the alleged worst defeat ever in 2019 and actually less votes in absolute terms, and 7% lower than in 2017, probably pretty vindicated.

    I'd be looking pretty seriously at PR if I was Labour right now.
    The game is over
    No more rounds left play
    It's time to pay
    Who's got the joker?

  4. #844
    That's a silly take. A lot of people who'd normally vote Labour voted Green, Lib Dem or independent because they knew Labour would win. Reform also took votes from across the political spectrum (a lot of their "Tory" votes are Labourites who defected to the Tories over Brexit).

  5. #845
    Ah, so what we're doing here is getting meta, going deep into the weeds and looking at extenuating circumstances that might explain the low Labour vote in 2024, but we're ignoring them in 2019 (the Brexit party straight up not contesting Tory seas and thus only taking votes off Labour, Brexit itself, sabotage and hostility from inside Labour, etc) and simply saying it was all down to Corbyn without any further analysis, because you already didn't like Corbyn, because he doesn't match your personal politics. Also, we're ignoring him getting 40% in 2017, because that also doesn't fit with what you already decided. And we're also ignoring Labour getting 29% and 30% in the two previous elections, because that again doesn't fit with the idea that getting Corbyn getting 32% in 2019 means leftist politics are doomed forever. This is truly sharp stuff, I can see how you made a career in academia.
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  6. #846
    You could come up with all kinds of poor arguments for why Corbyn didn't underperform (hint: in a highly competitive election, people who'd normally vote third party end up voting for the lesser of two evils), but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #847
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    (hint: in a highly competitive election, people who'd normally vote third party end up voting for the lesser of two evils),
    It is impossible to explain why leave voting areas full of non-traditional Tory voters would vote for the Brexit Party in an election dominated by Brexit. It can only be because everyone hates socialism.

    but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
    It's true, no other political leader had ever lost an election until 2019.
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  8. #848
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87rgj4e0rzo

    the motherfucker is still ​on ID cards
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  9. #849
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87rgj4e0rzo

    the motherfucker is still ​on ID cards
    Sir Tony brought in legislation for compulsory identity cards when he was in office but the scheme was scrapped by the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government.
    Lmao
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  10. #850
    They were trying to get those things through for like half their time in power.
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    It's time to pay
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  11. #851
    One must never underestimate social democracy's total commitment to loser shit
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  12. #852
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Two countries celebrated freedom from Tory rule yesterday fully expect Starmer to fumble this opportunity to advance British social democracy in a desperate quest to nab a few dozen Reform voters, but I hope grassroots orgs can compensate for that and build a solid platform for future Labour victories. Wonder how British forumites voted
    Labour.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  13. #853
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Labour.
    Troll attempt or have you changed?

  14. #854
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Troll attempt or have you changed?
    I didn't leave the Tories, the Tories left me. I believe fundamentally in two things - that people should be able to keep more of what they earn, and that people should be able to own their own home from their own efforts.

    I quit the Tories not long after I left here, when Rishi Sunak (then Chancellor) put up National Insurance, a tax I despise as its a tax only on people working for a living and not other forms of income.

    Liz Truss reversed that tax rise (only good thing she did in that brief tenure) but completely screwed up other things and Jeremy Hunt then continued cutting rather than raising that tax, which I supported, however Sunak ensured my vote remained lost because of the second issue.

    The most pressing problem in this country today is the unaffordability of housing, as we don't have anywhere near enough of it. Demographic* changes plus migration both mean we need millions more houses than we have. I've always opposed NIMBYism, but presently it isn't just wrong its extraordinarily harmful. First thing Sunak did when he became PM was cut housing targets, so that housing construction would fall from its already catastrophically low levels.

    The Lib Dems play up to NIMBYism too. Keir Starmer pledged extra housing and planning reforms, both of which we need, so for that I lent Labour my vote.

    * Children generally live with parents, young parents generally live with children. Old people tend to live with neither. We have over 5 million extra over 50s than a decade ago, which means even if our population wasn't changing (and it is) we'd need more houses for that reason alone even with the same population. But our population is increasing as well as demographics changing so we doubly need more houses built.

    PS the Tories also cost me 5000 pounds, not that it influenced my vote. I had tipped and bet 20 pounds on Rishi Sunak as next PM at 250/1. Because they elected Truss rather than Sunak that bet was lost even though he became PM days later.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 07-20-2024 at 04:28 PM. Reason: Pound symbol is becoming a question mark
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  15. #855
    Starmer's Labour Party is basically Cameron's Tories. Meanwhile, the Tories are doing their best MAGA speed run.

  16. #856
    Makes Starmer's Labour the best option.

    Cameron's Tories were OK and I always despised MAGA and I'm definitely not voting for it. Suella Braverman keeps threatening to defect to Reform, I hope she does and takes Robert Jenrick with her, the more of their ilk that leave the Tories the better and the sooner the Tories might be able to be detoxified. The country needs an Opposition and the current Tories won't supply it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  17. #857
    Mate no please don't tell me you burned 5000 pounds in real money on Sunak... well if it makes you feel any better another person on this forum burned thousands of dollars on Ron DeSantis, a man who doesn't know how to eat pie.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  18. #858
    LOL, no, I backed him during the 2019 general election at 250/1 for twenty quid.

    I laid some of it off when it got to around evens so I ended up winning hundreds of pounds, but would have been 5000 in winnings (minus what I'd laid) had they not chosen Truss.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  19. #859
    Well, at least she managed to sell some pork to China.

  20. #860
    Found the real reason you left the Tories: to boost your life expectancy.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...tion-bbjvft6fp

  21. #861
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I didn't leave the Tories, the Tories left me. I believe fundamentally in two things - that people should be able to keep more of what they earn, and that people should be able to own their own home from their own efforts.

    I quit the Tories not long after I left here, when Rishi Sunak (then Chancellor) put up National Insurance, a tax I despise as its a tax only on people working for a living and not other forms of income.

    Liz Truss reversed that tax rise (only good thing she did in that brief tenure) but completely screwed up other things and Jeremy Hunt then continued cutting rather than raising that tax, which I supported, however Sunak ensured my vote remained lost because of the second issue.

    The most pressing problem in this country today is the unaffordability of housing, as we don't have anywhere near enough of it. Demographic* changes plus migration both mean we need millions more houses than we have. I've always opposed NIMBYism, but presently it isn't just wrong its extraordinarily harmful. First thing Sunak did when he became PM was cut housing targets, so that housing construction would fall from its already catastrophically low levels.

    The Lib Dems play up to NIMBYism too. Keir Starmer pledged extra housing and planning reforms, both of which we need, so for that I lent Labour my vote.

    * Children generally live with parents, young parents generally live with children. Old people tend to live with neither. We have over 5 million extra over 50s than a decade ago, which means even if our population wasn't changing (and it is) we'd need more houses for that reason alone even with the same population. But our population is increasing as well as demographics changing so we doubly need more houses built.

    PS the Tories also cost me 5000 pounds, not that it influenced my vote. I had tipped and bet 20 pounds on Rishi Sunak as next PM at 250/1. Because they elected Truss rather than Sunak that bet was lost even though he became PM days later.
    I get what it's like to realize the party is getting drunker much faster than you.

    Also yes, if you have money on this you have reason to be angry

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