I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
Given that the Labour share of the vote is 33.7%, up just 1.6% from the alleged worst defeat ever in 2019 and actually less votes in absolute terms, and 7% lower than in 2017, probably pretty vindicated.I wonder how the Labourites who insisted Corbyn was not the problem feel right now.
I'd be looking pretty seriously at PR if I was Labour right now.
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That's a silly take. A lot of people who'd normally vote Labour voted Green, Lib Dem or independent because they knew Labour would win. Reform also took votes from across the political spectrum (a lot of their "Tory" votes are Labourites who defected to the Tories over Brexit).
Ah, so what we're doing here is getting meta, going deep into the weeds and looking at extenuating circumstances that might explain the low Labour vote in 2024, but we're ignoring them in 2019 (the Brexit party straight up not contesting Tory seas and thus only taking votes off Labour, Brexit itself, sabotage and hostility from inside Labour, etc) and simply saying it was all down to Corbyn without any further analysis, because you already didn't like Corbyn, because he doesn't match your personal politics. Also, we're ignoring him getting 40% in 2017, because that also doesn't fit with what you already decided. And we're also ignoring Labour getting 29% and 30% in the two previous elections, because that again doesn't fit with the idea that getting Corbyn getting 32% in 2019 means leftist politics are doomed forever. This is truly sharp stuff, I can see how you made a career in academia.
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You could come up with all kinds of poor arguments for why Corbyn didn't underperform (hint: in a highly competitive election, people who'd normally vote third party end up voting for the lesser of two evils), but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
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It is impossible to explain why leave voting areas full of non-traditional Tory voters would vote for the Brexit Party in an election dominated by Brexit. It can only be because everyone hates socialism.
It's true, no other political leader had ever lost an election until 2019.but the reality is that only one thing matters in elections: winning. And Corbyn failed to do that. Not only did he fail, but he lost by double digits against a party that was in power for nearly a decade.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87rgj4e0rzo
the motherfucker is still on ID cards
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They were trying to get those things through for like half their time in power.
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One must never underestimate social democracy's total commitment to loser shit![]()
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I didn't leave the Tories, the Tories left me. I believe fundamentally in two things - that people should be able to keep more of what they earn, and that people should be able to own their own home from their own efforts.
I quit the Tories not long after I left here, when Rishi Sunak (then Chancellor) put up National Insurance, a tax I despise as its a tax only on people working for a living and not other forms of income.
Liz Truss reversed that tax rise (only good thing she did in that brief tenure) but completely screwed up other things and Jeremy Hunt then continued cutting rather than raising that tax, which I supported, however Sunak ensured my vote remained lost because of the second issue.
The most pressing problem in this country today is the unaffordability of housing, as we don't have anywhere near enough of it. Demographic* changes plus migration both mean we need millions more houses than we have. I've always opposed NIMBYism, but presently it isn't just wrong its extraordinarily harmful. First thing Sunak did when he became PM was cut housing targets, so that housing construction would fall from its already catastrophically low levels.
The Lib Dems play up to NIMBYism too. Keir Starmer pledged extra housing and planning reforms, both of which we need, so for that I lent Labour my vote.
* Children generally live with parents, young parents generally live with children. Old people tend to live with neither. We have over 5 million extra over 50s than a decade ago, which means even if our population wasn't changing (and it is) we'd need more houses for that reason alone even with the same population. But our population is increasing as well as demographics changing so we doubly need more houses built.
PS the Tories also cost me 5000 pounds, not that it influenced my vote. I had tipped and bet 20 pounds on Rishi Sunak as next PM at 250/1. Because they elected Truss rather than Sunak that bet was lost even though he became PM days later.
Starmer's Labour Party is basically Cameron's Tories. Meanwhile, the Tories are doing their best MAGA speed run.
Makes Starmer's Labour the best option.
Cameron's Tories were OK and I always despised MAGA and I'm definitely not voting for it. Suella Braverman keeps threatening to defect to Reform, I hope she does and takes Robert Jenrick with her, the more of their ilk that leave the Tories the better and the sooner the Tories might be able to be detoxified. The country needs an Opposition and the current Tories won't supply it.
Mate no please don't tell me you burned 5000 pounds in real money on Sunak... well if it makes you feel any better another person on this forum burned thousands of dollars on Ron DeSantis, a man who doesn't know how to eat pie.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well, at least she managed to sell some pork to China.
Found the real reason you left the Tories: to boost your life expectancy.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...tion-bbjvft6fp