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    Default The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

    The wikipedia article about this murder has some updates worth considering in light of the discussion in the BLM thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ahmaud_Arbery

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    it seems like this should have gone to a grand jury and the people can decide. If it can't muster past a grand jury seems unlikely it would pass the far higher standard of "reasonable doubt" that a jury trial would have.
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Hey Lewk. Notice what your two friends were actually charged with? Felony murder. They're guilty of murder because one element or another of their actions were illegal, Arbury died, and hence they have full criminal responsibility for that death.
    A grand jury indicted each of the three men on charges of malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/u...ndictment.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    They seem unlikely to be a flight risk either as neither has previously been in trouble with the law.
    All three have been denied bond: https://www.live5news.com/2020/05/08...rt-appearance/ (this article concerns the father & son, Bryan was denied bond later).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You think this is what went through their heads? Really? After a lifetime of no criminality they say "oh look we see someone at a construction site after some robberies took place, this is a good opportunity to plan (in minutes) a modern day lynching and cover ourselves by calling the police." Kindly shove your emotions back up your ass and think with a modicum of logic.
    Investigation uncovered text messages on Bryan's phone that were "replete with racist remarks": https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/happe...LSUUWQ5W7XBQY/

    Moreover, the murderer—whose phone also had texts that contained racial slurs—used the n-word as the victim lay before him, dying: https://apnews.com/7122aaf2c54ed22590a5b8d32565a58f

    So it's pretty clear these people were racists, and that the killing was associated with some level of racial animus.

    As if all of this weren't enough, the initial handling of the case is now also being investigated (links to sources in the wikipedia article):

    State and federal review of the case
    On May 10, Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr said that his office would review how the investigation into Arbery's death "was handled from the outset".[8] At Carr's request, the GBI is investigating whether District Attorney Johnson or District Attorney Barnhill committed misconduct by "possibly misrepresenting or failing to disclose information during the process of appointing a conflict prosecutor to investigate" the death of Arbery.[66] Carr also called for a federal investigation into how local investigators and authorities handled the case, including "investigation of the communications and discussions by and between the Office of the District Attorney of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit and the Office of the District Attorney of the Waycross Judicial Circuit related to this case."[102]

    The next day on May 11, the U.S. Department of Justice responded that the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, the FBI, and the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Georgia "have been supporting and will continue fully to support and participate in the state investigation. We are assessing all of the evidence to determine whether federal hate crimes charges are appropriate."[103][104]

    Prior allegations of misconduct by local authorities

    Following Arbery's killing, media investigated the history of the GCPD.[5][105] The New York Times noted that in preceding years, the department had "been accused of covering up allegations of misconduct, tampering with a crime scene, interfering in an investigation of a police shooting and retaliating against fellow officers who cooperated with outside investigators."[5]

    Days after Arbery was fatally shot, the chief of police, – who had been brought in to clean up a police force described by the county manager in 2019 as poorly trained and characterized by a "culture of cronyism", – was indicted on charges arising from an alleged cover-up of a sexual relationship between an officer and an informant.[5] In response to a grand jury report issued in November 2019, which had condemned the GCPD over "alleged officer misconduct and poor coordination with the local sheriff's office", State Senator William Ligon of Brunswick in early 2020 introduced legislation to allow voters to abolish the Glynn county police department. Although the legislation initially stalled in the General Assembly, after the legislature returned following the COVID-19 recess, the House passed the legislation 152-3.[106][107] The Senate then passed the legislation as Senate Bill 509, which Governor Kemp signed. The legislation allows a November 3, 2020 binding referendum such that the police department would be abolished if a majority of Glynn County voters agreed.[108]

    The involvement of the GCPD as the primary investigator in a case involving its former officer Gregory McMichael was controversial.[28]

    Arbery's death also prompted re-examinations of the way prosecutions of shootings were handled by the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office. In 2010, two police officers fatally shot an unarmed white woman through her car windshield. Four former prosecutors, who had worked under Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney Jackie Johnson, alleged that Johnson shielded the officers from criminal prosecution. A 2015 investigation by WSB-TV revealed that Johnson had agreed to withhold a draft murder indictment from the grand jury and had "allowed the officers' department to present a factually inaccurate animation they created showing the car escaping through a gap and running over the officers."[105]
    Three white racists targeted, hunted and murdered a black jogger, and a bunch of corrupt and/or racist cops + DA were about to let them get away with it.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Story continues:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Taken a long time for charges to be filed, though it seems these are federal ones in addition to the state-level murder charges. Are they still denied bond? Any ETA on a trial?

    No doubt Lewk will still be denying these murderers should face action, not like a black man jogging who deserves death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    You know, I'd forgotten the shit-wit was claiming that if you chase someone and try to shoot him to death then any attempt on the victim's part to keep from being shot to death makes your shooting an act of self-defense.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You know, I'd forgotten the shit-wit was claiming that if you chase someone and try to shoot him to death then any attempt on the victim's part to keep from being shot to death makes your shooting an act of self-defense.
    The reality is that facts matter and citizen arrests can legally occur. It appears after further evidence has come to light these guys were in the wrong. When people get additional information they can change their opinions. What do you do when confronted with additional information that contradicts a previously held belief about a case?

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    "Citizens arrests" do not give you the right to hunt and kill a ni**er for sport.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The reality is that facts matter and citizen arrests can legally occur. It appears after further evidence has come to light these guys were in the wrong. When people get additional information they can change their opinions. What do you do when confronted with additional information that contradicts a previously held belief about a case?
    Citizens arrest can legally occur, sure. In Georgia at the time, they cannot occur for a misdemeanor though, which was the claimed offense by Mr. Arbery. Which the father involved certainly knew from his own time with the police and as an investigator for the DA's office. And even for felonies, the threat of lethal force wasn't allowed unless it was a violent felony. Something else he would have known.

    And yeah, people can change their opinions when they get additional information. The very last things you said in connection to this case that I can find was spouting off about how Arbery was a criminal and deserved the lynching and insisting that it was self-defense. You remember, the exact thing I was just attacking you for? And I still haven't seen you say you were wrong.
    Last edited by LittleFuzzy; 04-29-2021 at 10:33 PM.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Murderers deserve the benefit of the doubt, if you're white.

    Misdemeanours deserve lynching, if you're black.

    Lewk distilled.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    all 3 found guilty. and fuck that defense team with a rusty pole.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    all 3 found guilty. and fuck that defense team with a rusty pole.
    Now if only the MSM and black juries would say something about Black Harvard literally murdering the academic careers of Asian Americans
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Woke police defunding politics causing white genocide in Georgia:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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