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  1. #31
    Indeed Ziggy.

    The EU have spent the better part of a decade now underestimating the English and constantly failing to get what they want from us as a result. The longer this continues, the further away we are getting from the morass of the EU.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Meanwhile, in the real world, an overview of the chaos and mismanagement:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pmdfoster...12939446857728
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  3. #33
    Foster has been a Cassandra for years.

    There may be some difficulties, we will get through them, not the end of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Foster has been a Cassandra for years.

    There may be some difficulties, we will get through them, not the end of the world.
    Um, you might want to look into who Cassandra actually was, according to mythology.

    Because she was always right, it was just that she was cursed to nobody believing her.

    Wonderful display of your ignorance.
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Um, you might want to look into who Cassandra actually was, according to mythology.

    Because she was always right, it was just that she was cursed to nobody believing her.

    Wonderful display of your ignorance.
    No shit Sherlock, I know that. Did you bother to read my next line?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No shit Sherlock, I know that. Did you bother to read my next line?
    You also know that Cassandra's predictions were usually of the "Doom and Gloom" kind? And not the "Eh, I'll walk it off!"-variety?

    Unless, of course, you want to label The Fall of Troy as a "minor inconvenience".
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    The Brexit Trade Talks sketch:
    "UK: We don't like our deal
    EU: Why not?
    UK: We only get 95% of what we want
    EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes
    UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of
    EU: But you signed a deal
    UK: Don't care, we hate you
    EU: Bit rude
    UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
    EU: And how is Nigel?
    UK: Not happy?
    EU: Why not?
    UK: TV has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal
    EU: Wait, what?
    UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want
    EU: Er suits us!
    UK: Wait, what?
    EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.
    UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
    EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less
    UK: That's right
    EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%
    UK: Woah, hold on
    EU: And you have nothing
    UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!
    EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn
    UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
    EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?
    UK: Welp!
    EU: So we'll just sit this one out
    UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
    ---
    US: Yo suckers
    UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal
    US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now
    UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship
    US: Bye
    UK: What?
    US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye
    UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!
    US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy
    UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
    US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
    ---
    UK: Hi India, remember us?
    India: Oh ****, these guys again
    UK: We want a trade deal
    India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
    UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
    India: That is brand new information!!
    UK: So can we have a deal?
    India: Sure, fine. Join the queue
    UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?
    India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
    UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?
    India: Ha ha ha ha ha
    UK: What did we say?
    India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro
    UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU
    India: And how did that work out?
    UK: Erm
    India: Try Brazil
    ---
    UK: Hi Brazil
    Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!
    UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?
    Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!
    UK: Shall we try New Zealand?
    Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!
    UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand
    ---
    UK: Hi, New Zealand
    NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle
    UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb
    NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?
    UK: Yes
    NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves
    ---
    UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?
    Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?
    UK: We've already got them
    Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?
    UK: We can send you some racists
    Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia
    ---
    UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own
    Russia: We already own them
    UK: You don't own Boris
    Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match
    UK: We really need a trade deal
    Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try China
    ---
    UK: Can we please have a trade deal?
    China: And you are...?
    UK: We're Great Britain
    China: Great, you say?
    UK: Well once
    China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?
    UK: United Kingdom
    China: United, you say?
    UK: Alright, smart arse
    China: So you want a trade deal?
    UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law
    China: What happened to your deal with the EU?
    UK: We broke international law
    China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?
    UK: We're very tired.
    China: Why did you leave the EU?
    UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do
    China: What do you want?
    UK: A deal
    China: With who?
    UK: Foreigners
    China: And why can't you get one?
    UK: Cos we don't know what to do
    China: Were you dropped as a child?
    UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status
    China: You've got one
    UK: No we haven't
    China: Yes you have
    UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?
    China: Would you like to buy a mirror?
    UK: Finally, a deal!
    China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit
    UK: So, what do you suggest?
    China: Aw, mate. You already know
    ---
    EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?
    UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before
    EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. Welcommen!
    UK: We hate you!"
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Indeed Ziggy.

    The EU have spent the better part of a decade now underestimating the English and constantly failing to get what they want from us as a result. The longer this continues, the further away we are getting from the morass of the EU.
    At the beginning of the thread the EU was weaponizing the treaty that Boris previously heralded as a good deal. which must mean that something must have changed in the meantime. Now you've grandourized it to the EU having spent the better part of the decade underestimating the English. Because otherwise it would mean you would have to blame dear leader Boris for being happy with a bad deal.

    Meanwhile, it seems the EU has overestimated Boris in a) he knew what he signed up for, and b) he would stick to it.

    You can point at the boogieman EU all day long, but logic dictates Boris screwed the pooch at some point.

    edit: As long as you guys finish the QI series, it's all fine by me
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Foster has been a Cassandra for years.

    There may be some difficulties, we will get through them, not the end of the world.
    The question is not whether England will survive despite the dangerous incompetence of its leaders; the question is whether its leaders are dangerously incompetent. The thread—along with more or less every report on pretty much everything English leaders have done wrt brexit—suggests the answer is a resounding "oh fuck yes". Your Lewkowskian deflections notwithstanding
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
    At the beginning of the thread the EU was weaponizing the treaty that Boris previously heralded as a good deal. which must mean that something must have changed in the meantime. Now you've grandourized it to the EU having spent the better part of the decade underestimating the English. Because otherwise it would mean you would have to blame dear leader Boris for being happy with a bad deal.

    Meanwhile, it seems the EU has overestimated Boris in a) he knew what he signed up for, and b) he would stick to it.

    You can point at the boogieman EU all day long, but logic dictates Boris screwed the pooch at some point.

    edit: As long as you guys finish the QI series, it's all fine by me
    For Boris to have "screwed the pooch" things would have to be going badly. They're not, they're going great.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    For Boris to have "screwed the pooch" things would have to be going badly. They're not, they're going great.
    They would have been if we hadn't had to cancel our trip to the Lake District. Yummy cheap pounds.

    Because, it's no use discussing if you're not going to address anything I post, right? Might as well shoot the breeze
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
    Which is what I am

    I aim at the stars
    But sometimes I hit London

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    For Boris to have "screwed the pooch" things would have to be going badly. They're not, they're going great.
    You know, this reminds me of that passage in HGTG where the whale wondered if the ground would be friendly to him.
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    For Boris to have "screwed the pooch" things would have to be going badly. They're not, they're going great.
    I mean, is this a face of a man who screwed a pooch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Indeed Ziggy.

    The EU have spent the better part of a decade now underestimating the English and constantly failing to get what they want from us as a result. The longer this continues, the further away we are getting from the morass of the EU.
    Would you be kind enough to provide some evidence of the EU underestimating us over the last decade?

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    Well, we underestimated the UK's willingness to shot off both its feet.
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

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    We also underestimated their vandalism.
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