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    https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/13...-nancy-pelosi/

    "Corporate media journalists and left-wing activists took to social media on Wednesday to spread claims that Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas is in favor of inciting insurrection.

    “Here’s a quote. ‘I just don’t even know why there aren’t more uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be,’” Gohmert said on the House floor during the impeachment debate.

    While Gohmert specified that what he was saying was a quote, taken directly from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s previous statements encouraging uprisings, journalists and activists quickly twisted his words, publicly speculating and claiming he was calling for increased political violence around the nation.

    “Louis Gohmert: ‘I don’t know why they aren’t more uprisings all over the country,’” Blake News, a Politico editor tweeted."

    ROFLMAO

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    As always. context is king
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...eparation.html

    She clearly wasn't talking about violent uprisings. Gohmert, OTOH, openly acknowledges taking the time to personally talk to and support individuals who forced their way into the Capitol, after they had done so, and condoned violence before the incident. His context is also clear. He meant it exactly how it was reported. It doesn't matter who you quote if you don't intend the quote to mean the same thing in context. At best it's a transparent tracing of a fig leaf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    As always. context is king
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...eparation.html

    She clearly wasn't talking about violent uprisings. Gohmert, OTOH, openly acknowledges taking the time to personally talk to and support individuals who forced their way into the Capitol, after they had done so, and condoned violence before the incident. His context is also clear. He meant it exactly how it was reported. It doesn't matter who you quote if you don't intend the quote to mean the same thing in context. At best it's a transparent tracing of a fig leaf.
    You do realize domestic terrorism remains domestic terrorism regardless of the reason you are doing it, right? Attacking the White House, the Capital, a police station or a court house are all examples of domestic terrorism. Yeah?

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?507879...-232-197&live=

    3:38

    He literally starts by saying "Here's a quote." Now you can play your little dancing game all you want but how can you justify people playing the clip without the very first part where he says "HERE'S A QUOTE" and then selling it in the context that he is saying there should be more uprisings. Its not defensible and you know it.

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    Lewk, if you were around in 1932, you'd undoubtedly be complaining about the unfair treatment of you know who by the Jewish media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Lewk, if you were around in 1932, you'd undoubtedly be complaining about the unfair treatment of you know who by the Jewish media.
    Since we are on the subject of media and domestic terrorism - Loki do you support the actions domestic terrorists took during some of the riots this summer?

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    Oooh Loki he got you good I don't know how you're gonna get outta this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Since we are on the subject of media and domestic terrorism - Loki do you support the actions domestic terrorists took during some of the riots this summer?
    People who break the law should be punished. How about you stop the pathetic whataboutism after your heroes first tried to cancel election results and then to overthrow the government?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You do realize domestic terrorism remains domestic terrorism regardless of the reason you are doing it, right? Attacking the White House, the Capital, a police station or a court house are all examples of domestic terrorism. Yeah?

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?507879...-232-197&live=

    3:38

    He literally starts by saying "Here's a quote." Now you can play your little dancing game all you want but how can you justify people playing the clip without the very first part where he says "HERE'S A QUOTE" and then selling it in the context that he is saying there should be more uprisings. Its not defensible and you know it.
    Because he did think there should be violent insurrection *unlike Pelosi, when she used the term*, he still thinks that, and he's using "I quote" as a tongue-in-cheek way to say what he really means. And yes, Lewk, we are well aware that you do the exact same thing, always make this exact same protest when we call you on it, and not one person here believes you when you protest that just because you quote material doesn't mean you think it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Since we are on the subject of media and domestic terrorism - Loki do you support the actions domestic terrorists took during some of the riots this summer?
    I don't know about Loki but I for one strongly oppose the state-sponsored domestic terrorism seen in places like Portland, where they abducted and falsely imprisoned protestors.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    People who break the law should be punished. How about you stop the pathetic whataboutism after your heroes first tried to cancel election results and then to overthrow the government?
    This isn't about whataboutism at all. From day 1 I've fully condemned the actions of those evil little shits who decided to use violence at the capital. What I care about is the blatant hypocrisy of those who wish to excuse the actions of the domestic terrorists over the summer. The media and politicians who wanted their evil excused. What's good for the goose is ALWAYS good for the gander. And only the worst sort of hypocrite would say otherwise.

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    I haven't heard you once about a president eroding the democratic process America was founded upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    This isn't about whataboutism at all. From day 1 I've fully condemned the actions of those evil little shits who decided to use violence at the capital. What I care about is the blatant hypocrisy of those who wish to excuse the actions of the domestic terrorists over the summer. The media and politicians who wanted their evil excused. What's good for the goose is ALWAYS good for the gander. And only the worst sort of hypocrite would say otherwise.
    Are you really going to equate looting KFC with trying to overthrow the US government?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Always remember, it's a protest that turned sadly and inexcusably violent if conservatives and white supremascists kill a cop while storming federal property (but it's not if they just seize it and hold it with the threat of lethal force but without actually killing people, like Bundy's son did) but it's domestic terrorism if liberals and blacks peaceably protest by exercising their right of assembly and legally blocking a roadway.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Always remember, it's a protest that turned sadly and inexcusably violent if conservatives and white supremascists kill a cop while storming federal property (but it's not if they just seize it and hold it with the threat of lethal force but without actually killing people, like Bundy's son did) but it's domestic terrorism if liberals and blacks peaceably protest by exercising their right of assembly and legally blocking a roadway.
    It's felony domestic terrorism—you have to pin the blame for the people who got blinded by cops on someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    (but it's not if they just seize it and hold it with the threat of lethal force but without actually killing people, like Bundy's son did)
    He has also defended Daleiden, which explains why he is so cool with the state sponsored (or approved) content manipulation that has ruined so many of these gullible people's lives now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Are you really going to equate looting KFC with trying to overthrow the US government?
    Domestic Terrorism is Domestic Terrorism, through typically this is an intention based crime and looting a KFC is probably just robbery (which should also put you in prison for many years).

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    No Lewk, property damage is not the same as trying to overthrow the government
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No Lewk, property damage is not the same as trying to overthrow the government
    Ah yes so vandalizing a court house or the capital is "worse" because it is the government which is far more sacred to you than a private business. Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    This isn't about whataboutism at all. From day 1 I've fully condemned the actions of those evil little shits who decided to use violence at the capital. What I care about is the blatant hypocrisy of those who wish to excuse the actions of the domestic terrorists over the summer. The media and politicians who wanted their evil excused. What's good for the goose is ALWAYS good for the gander. And only the worst sort of hypocrite would say otherwise.
    You're all about the whataboutism. Hey, where's your outrage at *right-wing* media and *Republic* politicians spewing conspiracy theories and disinformation --- posing as democracy loving Law & Order constitutionalists, selling their Big Lies --- that eventually led to the violent insurrection at the Capitol? You get more worked up when a homeless guy steals toothpaste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Ah yes so vandalizing a court house or the capital is "worse" because it is the government which is far more sacred to you than a private business. Got it.
    You equate vandalising a KFC or a McDonalds with insurrection?

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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Ah yes so vandalizing a court house or the capital is "worse" because it is the government which is far more sacred to you than a private business. Got it.
    If you ignore all the evidence about the plans to assassinate Pence, Pelosi, and Schumer.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    And the fact it was instigated by the lies of the President.
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    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    You're all about the whataboutism. Hey, where's your outrage at *right-wing* media and *Republic* politicians spewing conspiracy theories and disinformation --- posing as democracy loving Law & Order constitutionalists, selling their Big Lies --- that eventually led to the violent insurrection at the Capitol? You get more worked up when a homeless guy steals toothpaste.
    Anyone who planned a violent instruction is bad. Anyone using rhetoric to talk about how bad one side is or isn't hasn't done anything illegal. Anyone who goes to or helps get people to rally that has a peaceful purpose is also blameless.

    The idea that we should tone down rhetoric is a laughable charge from anyone on the left who have done FAR worse when it comes to inciting violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Anyone who planned a violent instruction is bad. Anyone using rhetoric to talk about how bad one side is or isn't hasn't done anything illegal. Anyone who goes to or helps get people to rally that has a peaceful purpose is also blameless.

    The idea that we should tone down rhetoric is a laughable charge from anyone on the left who have done FAR worse when it comes to inciting violence.
    Lmao you fucking clown
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Anyone who planned a violent instruction is bad.


    Anyone using rhetoric to talk about how bad one side is or isn't hasn't done anything illegal. Anyone who goes to or helps get people to rally that has a peaceful purpose is also blameless.

    The idea that we should tone down rhetoric is a laughable charge from anyone on the left who have done FAR worse when it comes to inciting violence.
    I was going to ask if you see the differences between "normal political rhetoric" and inciting insurrection -- even if it's a non-violent coup meant to overthrow the government -- but since whataboutism is just part of your trolling...well, never mind.

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    Look until we have a video of Trump explicitly telling people to commit specific crimes with a serious face we just won't be able to know anything.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Anyone who planned a violent instruction is bad. Anyone using rhetoric to talk about how bad one side is or isn't hasn't done anything illegal. Anyone who goes to or helps get people to rally that has a peaceful purpose is also blameless.
    When teens trespass on a person's lawn and he shoots and kills one of them, you froth at the mouth and demand all the teens get convicted of felony murder. When BLM activists throw rocks in the general direction of police without injuring anyone, you shriek for everyone there to be shoved into prison for assault. But when conservative activists engage in criminal trespass and their compatriots in criminal trespass assault actually KILL cops, you think they're blameless.
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