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    Am starting a thread to collate the ongoing - and increasing - violations, abuses, political shenanigans, trade boorishness, warpath hawkishness, maltreatment of civilians and ethnic minorities, curbing of civil rights of the Chinese population, land-grabbing in the South China Sea, the ever-present threat against Taiwan, and just the generally shitty behaviour of the ruling CCP.

    Hong-kong has its own thread.

    The latest awful news this morning:

    US 'deeply disturbed' by reports of systematic rape in China's Xinjiang camps

    State department says ‘atrocities’ against detained Uighur and Muslim women in region must be ‘met with serious consequences’

    The United States government is “deeply disturbed” by reports of systematic rape and sexual torture of women detained in China’s Xinjiang camps for ethnic Uighur and other Muslims, and demanded serious consequences.

    The US state department was responding to a BBC report, published on Wednesday, detailing horrific allegations rape, sexual abuse and torture, based on interviews with several former detainees and a guard. The interviewees told the BBC “they experienced or saw evidence of an organised system of mass rape, sexual abuse and torture”.

    “We are deeply disturbed by reports, including first-hand testimony, of systematic rape and sexual abuse against women in internment camps for ethnic Uighurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang,” a state department spokesperson said, reiterating US accusations that China has committed “crimes against humanity and genocide” in Xinjiang.

    “These atrocities shock the conscience and must be met with serious consequences.”

    The spokesperson demanded China allow “immediate and independent investigations by international observers” into the rape allegations “in addition to the other atrocities being committed in Xinjiang.”

    The BBC report said it was unable to independently verify the women’s stories, which included horrific accounts of sexual assault and torture, and the forcing of some women to strip and handcuff others before they were left alone with Han men. However, key details and travel documents matched timelines and available satellite imagery, and corresponded with numerous other accounts from former detainees.

    Australia’s foreign affairs minister, Marise Payne, echoed the US’s calls for international observers, including the UN high commissioner for human rights, Michelle Bachelet, “to be given immediate, meaningful and unfettered access to Xinjiang at the earliest opportunity,” she said.

    “Australia has been consistent in raising our significant concerns with the human rights abuses in Xinjiang. These latest reports of systematic torture and abuse of women are deeply disturbing and raise serious questions regarding the treatment of Uighurs and other religious and ethnic minorities in Xinjiang.”

    China has consistently denied allegations of human rights abuses and genocide in Xinjiang, despite mounting evidence of mass internment, suspected forced labour programmes, indoctrination, forced sterilisation of women, extensive digital and in person surveillance, and suppression of religious and cultural activities. China says the camps are vocational training centres designed to counter extremism.

    On Wednesday, China’s foreign ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin accused the BBC of making a “false report” which was “wholly without factual basis”.

    He claimed the women interviewed were “actors disseminating false information”, and said China had released multiple reports showing “people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang live in peace and contentment, unity and harmony, and that all their legal rights are effectively guaranteed”.

    Among the reports referred to the Wang is a white paper on Xinjiang which last year admitted for the first time that more than 1.2 million people had been sent through its “vocational training” programmes.

    The BBC revelations horrified the global Uighur community, many of whom have missing family members detained or suspected to be detained in the camps. Recent data leaks have shown that contact with overseas relatives has been used by Chinese authorities to justify detaining a Uighur person in Xinjiang.

    “I have a mother, a wife, sisters, aunts, and grandmothers. The rape of any woman breaks my heart and makes my blood boil,” said Salih Hudayar, the US-based founder of a self-declared government-in-exile for East Turkistan.

    “The systematic rape of Uighur and other Turkic women are part of China’s ongoing genocide against East Turkistan’s people. We urge the international community to support our case against China at the International Criminal Court.”

    In December the ICC rejected an application to investigate claims of genocide in Xinjiang, saying it was unable to act because the alleged crimes occurred in China, which is not a party to the court and so is outside its jurisdiction.

    The Biden administration has endorsed a declaration by the outgoing Trump administration in its final days of office that China has committed genocide in Xinjiang.
    Chances of China allowing international observers into these Camps? Somewhere between zero and none?
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    China's behavior is at its worst since the Cultural Revolution and no one dares complain because the US under Trump gave up its global role (that potential allies can hide behind).
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    China's behavior is at its worst since the Cultural Revolution and no one dares complain because the US under Trump gave up its global role (that potential allies can hide behind).
    Smells like bitch ass cowardice to me. If you only take a stand when there are no consequences, you are just virtue signaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Smells like bitch ass cowardice to me. If you only take a stand when there are no consequences, you are just virtue signaling.
    The economic and physical survival of a country is a moral good, too, one that governments are understandably reluctant to give up.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Is that a Chamberlain quote?

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    Do you want the US to overthrow several dozen governments that are severely mistreating their people? Including in cases where doing so could lead to nuclear war?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    China's behavior is at its worst since the Cultural Revolution and no one dares complain because the US under Trump gave up its global role (that potential allies can hide behind).
    The UK, Australia, Canada and the USA have been complaining.

    New Zealand has been the notable five eyes exception. Ahern has been distinctly lacking on this and the EU have been a disgrace.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Do you want the US to overthrow several dozen governments that are severely mistreating their people? Including in cases where doing so could lead to nuclear war?
    There is a difference between going to war and cutting off all trade. There is a difference between going to war and cutting diplomatic ties. There is a difference between going to war and placing sanctions on a country. There are options on the table - but many countries only pay lip service to their values (America included). The true test of values is only when in doing something it causes yourself or your country more harm than good in adherence to a principle.

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    This argument remains as dumb and as inconsistent as it was the first time you made it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The UK, Australia, Canada and the USA have been complaining.

    New Zealand has been the notable five eyes exception. Ahern has been distinctly lacking on this and the EU have been a disgrace.
    Right, those angsty tweets. They really put fear into Xi's heart. What has the UK done about an innocent Canadian spending 3 years in a Chinese prison?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Teach your children Mandarin and Chinese culture now, it will be easier to assimilate with the future rulers of the world. Won't be long before China says "all your bases are belong to us."
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    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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