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    Default Murder of Sarah Everard

    Tragic and sickening story in the UK at the moment about the murder of a young woman, Sarah Everard. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56367223

    She was abducted and kidnapped off the streets of London by a stranger, a stereotype that thankfully is pretty rare and shocking enough. 'Human remains' were subsequently found in Kent.

    To make it even worse the arrested suspect is a serving Metropolitan Police Officer from the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command (working in Parliament etc) who allegedly was off duty and used his warrant card to convince her to approach his car before he kidnapped her.

    The Police Officer has also been charged with indecent exposure as well as murder. This apparently refers to an incident a fortnight ago, prior to the abduction and murder which leaves major questions to answer as to how this Officer was still a serving officer with his warrant card.

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    Women mourning Everard an attending a vigil were harrassed and attacked last night by the Met Police for "breaking Covid regulations".

    Seriously WTF !?

    Horrific images online. Despite the fact that protests and rallies have been taking place during Covid including BLM protests and others - and the High Court ruled in advance of the vigil that protests are not necessarily illegal during Covid and the Police response must be proportionate.

    No idea WTF the Met were thinking. Wouldn't surprise me if Cressida Dick has to resign over this, she should and should never have been in the job, she's got a long history of failure including noticeably the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes.
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    Not handled well in the first instance by the Met - allowing the vigil to proceed, then doing a complete U-turn and not allowing it. Put people in a combative frame of mind from the off.

    However, from that point on the vigil was illegal. Current Covid restrictions are legally-binding, no gatherings outdoors are allowed. The police either enforce the law, or they do not.
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    Although the law hasn't been enforced like that before now and the High Court had already ruled that protests are not necessarily unlawful and that the Police response needs to be proportionate.

    Breaking up a non-violent vigil with force is not proportional.
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    Breaking up a non-violent vigil with force is not proportional.
    Agreed. The pictures across the media paint a poor picture.

    I did speculate to my wife; since this was largely a coming together of women to protest violence at the hands of men in memory of Sarah Everard's murder, and the photos splashed across media are of policemen restraining those protesting women, what would the response have been if the Met had sent only PCWs to break up the vigil.
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    A more proportional response would have been to send PCWs to Police the vigil. Stand back, encourage distancing, ensure no violence. Not go rushing in to break up people who are angry and mourning with force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Not handled well in the first instance by the Met - allowing the vigil to proceed, then doing a complete U-turn and not allowing it. Put people in a combative frame of mind from the off.

    However, from that point on the vigil was illegal. Current Covid restrictions are legally-binding, no gatherings outdoors are allowed. The police either enforce the law, or they do not.
    Over here, if I'm not mistaken, public gathering for protests/ demonstrations are specifically not banned because of free speech, as long as people keep distances.
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...noyance-2021-3

    That seems poorly timed. What's 'serious annoyance' anyway?
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...noyance-2021-3

    That seems poorly timed. What's 'serious annoyance' anyway?
    It seems like a horrible bit of legislation. We'll no longer be able to protest if we annoy someone or make "too much" noise.

    Tell me one protest, ever, that hasn't seriously annoyed at least one person.

    I imagine it's been thrown in there to make it easier to arrest Extinction Rebellion; but as I understand it existing laws already protect us from protesters causing significant disruption to the public.

    I can understand the Tories pushing this through; because Priti Patel is a vacant death penalty supporting simpleton, and I doubt Boris had any idea what was in it or what any of it meant and now it's too late to admit it's a bad idea, but I'm perhaps most pissed off with Labor. Up until the weekend they were going to abstain on this bill. Then cue the Sarah Everard vigil that went to shit, Twitter exploded in rage, and all of a sudden they changed their position and voted against. Completely lacking in principles.

    I'm far from an expert on legislation, but it does seem incredibly vague, subjective and badly worded. It coudl well be a massive infringement on our right to protest.

    Over the last few days I've seen lots of Tories defending this bill, but not that particular clause. IDS admitted it was problematic, but overall the bill contained some good things so who gives a fuck. It's clear they don't like it but obviously can't vote against because, well, it's a Boris Johnson government and it's loyalty over principles. Vote against and that's the end of you.

    Hopefully the Lords will do the right thing.

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    Overall the Bill seems sensible but I do not approve of that element.

    However there are multiple opportunities to amend the Bill from here so "who gives a fuck" is not how the Parliamentary Process works. The vote yesterday was Second Reading which means accepting the general principles of the Bill before it gets scrutinised and amended. Its possible to be amended in the Commons before it even gets Third Reading and goes to the Lords, let alone the opportunity for the Lords to amend it and send for scrutiny back to the Commons. If you accept the general principles but have a problem with one element the proper procedure is to vote Aye at Second Reading, then vote for an amendment to it. This is why Oppositions sometimes abstain or vote Aye at Second Reading, then vote No at Third Reading, because they didn't get their amendments through.

    Voting No at Second Reading throws the entire package out without opportunity to amend it.
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    I remember that story, from a few years ago. Horrible.
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    I think we can put this matter to rest now. It's been properly investigated and the police did nothing wrong.
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    Fair enough, that surprises me. My gut said the opposite.

    Goes to show images can be misleading.

    Also goes to show the massive difference between UK and USA cops. Here police were attacked for enforcing Covid laws, there for routinely killing people. I'm definitely glad we have the law drawn where we do in this nation.
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