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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    But earlier you said it was all about the science. And what you could contribute. You were on the verge of helping paralyzed people walk. Now you just want to buy child care and get a home mortgage...and build that $5 million retirement portfolio?
    GGT, I'm not doing science in that most of what I do is heavily applied technical work rather than more foundational technical work. Obviously I'm still working on developing a highly impactful medical technology (though why you think it has to do with paralysis is confusing to me, I haven't worked on neural regeneration since ~2005).

    I'm not sure why it's a conflict to want to provide for my family while also doing my job...?
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  2. #32
    Sounds like I should have an offer in hand this week. Going to be a tough decision; I think the new job would be a new and interesting challenge, but I'm not sure it's advancing my career in other ways - it's a really big company so I may be more pigeonholed, and my opportunities for taking on more responsibility may be limited in the short term. The commute and my desire to see my current project through to the clinic are also big factors.

    Had a nice talk with my current boss, essentially telling her I felt overworked and underchallenged. She was receptive and had some ideas that may or may not pan out. I can't really ask her what to do about the offer, though. I do have someone who used to work at my company in a senior role (who has since semi-retired) who might be able to give me some advice; he has deep experience in this kind of product lifecycle and also knows my strengths and how I like to work. I think I might reach out to him for advice once I have an offer in hand.

    I know this is a good position to be in - choosing between two solid jobs - but it definitely isn't an easy choice.
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    I'm not sure why it's a conflict to want to provide for my family while also doing my job...?
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    I know this is a good position to be in - choosing between two solid jobs - but it definitely isn't an easy choice.
    Your "conflict" is nothing new. And yes, even tho your choice won't be easy, you're still in an enviable position.

    My criticisms weren't meant to be personal -- most people would love to trade their problems for yours! -- but your posts had a deaf-tone quality that I tried to address. But that's inserting my personal experiences as daughter, wife, mother into the mix, and maybe not what you were looking for?

    Anyway, sorry that I can be way too serious, and sometimes inappropriate, by turning a "General Chat" question into an ethical debate.

  4. #34
    Meanwhile I did a change myself.

    Mostly to get closer to home so I can spend more time with the kids.
    I guess the biggest change will be a pure leadership position as product manager and owner of system architecture and system engineering, but for a much smaller product.
    But I have worked so many years with R&D right now so I’m not too worried about details.

    Mostly concerned about different biz cultures but it’s hard to say anything until experiance kicks in.
    So we will see.

  5. #35
    rille, your profile says you'll experiment until things go BOOM!?

    I respect your willingness to think outside the box, but still want to be close to home, so you can spend more time with your kids.

  6. #36
    Congrats rille, cool opportunity
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Congrats rille, cool opportunity
    And thank you rille for your continued 13% contribution to my retirement.

    May the workforce be with you.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  8. #38
    Thanks!

    BOOM?! Hmm… it does! But hopefully not that much right now!

    In general I do believe misstakes is the best way to learn something.
    …and if you are not allowed to to them the organisation better supply
    a process that makes us humans safer.

    13%? Should I know that number?!

  9. #39
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    Congrats and good luck with the new job!
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    And thank you rille for your continued 13% contribution to my retirement.

    May the workforce be with you.
    Oh wow mate that's way too much
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by rille View Post

    13%? Should I know that number?!
    Assuming you are in the U.S. workforce that is about what you and your employer (on your behalf) pay in FICA tax (payroll tax).

    https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc751
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  12. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Oh wow mate that's way too much
    That is because the cut-off is at $148,000. You don't pay the tax on earnings above that.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

  13. #43
    Update: I didn't end up accepting the offer. There were enough small things wrong with the offer/role that I didn't want to jump ship from my current role. I think it was the right call but we'll see how it pans out! One of my mentors put it nicely - if I don't end up liking the decision I made, I can always find a different role in the future.

    ...turns out a colleague of mine who is heading up some of the mfg activities just put in his two weeks notice, so it's a good thing I didn't do the same thing. Going to make my life very interesting for the next couple of months because I would put good money on me being given some of his tasks for which he was essentially the local expert.

    I'm also hoping that a relatively high impact departure coupled with some general grumbling from the R&D team means that we'll see some broader changes at my company. I think the Big Quit is a real thing - I've seen it at my company, my wife has seen it at hers, and anecdotally I'm hearing it from friends. These aren't waiters who are just fed up with things and leaving, these are highly trained professionals just sick and tired of Covid BS and feeling super burnt out looking for something different. Everyone is moving to a new job (there's a serious dearth of highly skilled labor here), but I think people just need a change of pace after the last 1.5 years.
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  14. #44
    Not sure I interpret ”Big Quit” correctly but I have seen it two or three times now.
    (They come in 7-10 years intervalls)

    Usually happen in relation to:
    -Things are done and we just do maintenance and small improvements.
    -Organization changes, usually hits the entire leadership team.
    -Strategical changes, usually as a result of economical improvements, hits seniors in R&D and pisses them off.
    -Bias in promotion due to HR improvements. In technology women are promoted faster than thier experiance quota. (This is a bit complicated to address so lets ignore that )
    -When respected technocal leaders go other follow.

  15. #45
    My current set of mind is to ignore that and continue working with myself.
    Try to follow instead of resistance and get bitter.
    Keep a mindset that HR could actually work for the greater good in the long end.
    Don’t stay too long at the same place (specialist in R&D tech are not respected in the same way they would be in other fields)

    So become a generalist, develop a broader view, let the younglings dig into details but you create the ideas.

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