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    June 2, 2010
    New York Expected to Give Protections to Nannies
    By RUSS BUETTNER
    In a city of secret economies, few are as vital to the life of New York as the business of nannies, the legions of women who emancipate high-powered professionals and less glamorous working parents from the duties of daily child care.

    Those nannies, as well as other domestic workers who make possible the lives of New York’s eternally striving work force, have long gone without basic workplace guarantees that most employees take for granted.

    That appears likely to change soon.

    The State Senate this week passed a bill that would require paid holidays, sick days and vacation days for domestic workers, along with overtime wages. It would require 14 days’ notice, or termination pay, before firing a domestic worker.

    The Assembly passed a similar measure last year, and lawmakers expect that the two versions will be reconciled and that Gov. David A. Paterson will sign what they say would be the nation’s first such protections for domestic workers. It would affect an estimated 200,000 workers in the metropolitan area: citizens, legal immigrants and those here illegally as well.

    Albany has wrestled with similar legislation for six years. The bill that passed the Senate, 33 to 28, on Tuesday had faced opposition, largely from Republicans, based on additional costs to the employers and the extension of workplace protections to illegal immigrants. Advocates in California and Colorado hope that similar legislation will be introduced in their states next year, said Ai-jen Poo, director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance.

    Ms. Poo said the effort was driven by workers who felt that they worked in a “wild west” atmosphere because of the lack of standards.

    “You have some employers that are very good and some that are not, and there is nothing mediating that relationship,” she said. “So early on, workers said, ‘We need basic protections and guidelines so that we won’t be at the whim and mercy of our employers.’ ”

    Gueisa Alvarez, 40, a nanny for two decades, said she felt exploited by families early in her career, before she attained the confidence to stand up for herself. She said she hoped a law would protect new workers.

    “It will inform them of things they don’t understand as young women coming from some other country and just trying to make some money,” Ms. Alvarez said.

    But among domestic workers, there are some doubts that immigrants lacking legal documentation would be willing to report violations of a new wage law to a government agency.

    “If you are legal in this country, you will benefit from it, but if you are not, then I don’t think it will do much for you,” said Rhea Bolivia, who immigrated from the Philippines and works as a nanny for a family with two small children on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

    Once an employee is hired, state labor laws become enforceable, regardless of the employee’s immigration status. Penalties have been issued against supermarkets, restaurants and other employers for failing to pay overtime to groups of employees that included illegal immigrants. The legislation would give the State Labor Department and the attorney general the power to enforce its provisions.

    State Senator Diane J. Savino, a Democrat who sponsored the bill in her chamber, said domestic workers and farm workers were excluded from New Deal-era labor protections to appease Southern Democrats at a time when most of the workers were black.

    “The same prejudices that applied to them in 1935 have continued to apply to them both in federal law and state laws,” said Ms. Savino, who represents parts of Brooklyn and Staten Island.

    The potential for additional costs to the families who hire the caretakers is not clear. Many already voluntarily provide such benefits. Domestic workers are now covered by minimum-wage laws, and the bills would set no other mandatory wage levels.

    The bills would increase the risks of getting caught for employers who pay domestic workers off the books to avoid taxes. “That’s what we are trying to end,” Ms. Savino said.

    But for nannies and parents alike, the legislation, if enacted, could well create a kind of baseline for negotiations over pay, hours and benefits. Now, the dealings typically leave both sides unsure of what is fair, and in the end, employers sometimes feeling guilty and employees feeling shortchanged.

    “We are really looking toward healing the divide between employee and employee,” said Sara Fields, program director at the advocacy group Jews for Racial and Economic Justice.

    The Senate bill would nullify the requirement of 14 days’ termination pay if an employer “acted upon a good faith and reasonable belief that the employee had committed assault.”

    But State Senator Andrew J. Lanza, a Republican from Staten Island, said he voted against the bill because it might cause some mothers to keep quiet about caregivers suspected of being abusive in their homes rather than providing termination pay and possibly having to explain themselves in court.

    “I just think that’s wrong when it comes to a parent-child situation in a person’s home,” Mr. Lanza said.


    The Assembly bill, sponsored by Assemblyman Keith L. T. Wright of Harlem, would not require paid vacations, paid holidays or severance pay.

    Governor Paterson made public remarks last year saying that he supported the spirit of the Assembly bill. Lawmakers say his office will be involved in reconciling the two versions. Mr. Paterson’s spokesman said Wednesday that the governor would not commit to signing the legislation until he could evaluate a bill passed by both houses.

    After going nowhere for years in the Republican-controlled State Senate, the Assembly bill was expected to be approved last June by the Senate, after it came under Democratic rule. But the hopes of domestic worker groups waiting outside were dashed as Senate business stalled in fighting among Democrats.

    “We were literally there when the Senate came to a screeching halt,” said Priscilla Gonzalez, director of Domestic Workers United. Ms. Gonzalez started her group, which now has 3,000 members, after seeing what her mother went through as a nanny and housecleaner.

    Ms. Alvarez, the nanny, said she came to the United States from Bolivia when she was 8. Starting when she was 20, she worked in a variety of unappealing nanny jobs, including one for a family that refused to give her time off to take her own daughter to a hospital after an injury.

    She said her current employer, a wealthy family with one child, already gave her a better package than what would be guaranteed in the Senate bill. But sitting among nannies at a Central Park playground, she said the lack of legal standard left many nannies less fortunate.

    “I am one of the lucky ones,” she said.

    Andrew Boryga contributed reporting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/nyregion/03nanny.html
    This seems to be a first step towards perhaps trying organize home workers, who are usually paid cash and prefer not having payroll taxes paid because they can be, err, "flexible" when they report income.

    But the whole mandatory paid vacation days thing bugs me. It's not a NY State law for any other employer. And seems to really raise the costs of employing someone. It's not as if families who hire someone to take care of their kids/elderly parents are uniformly wealthy people. In the case of families with kids, usually most of one of the parent's income pays a nanny so that they can at least advance their career without having to take five years off to get their kinds into kindergarten.

    Anyone here ever work in a domestic labor situation and feel exploited? Or hire someone for a domestic labor task and feel like they got cheated? Or had a good experience because it's more of a flexible, cash-based labor market?

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    This really seems to be coming out of left (as in baseball) field. Why single out this part of the workforce and not the rest of the labor market?

    The Nannies have that good of a lobby???
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    So they're basically telling New Yorkers to only employ illegals as nannies?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Jesus, an old friend of mine I haven't heard from in literally three years (who is increasingly becoming an extremist left-winger) decided to e-mail me and a few other people to boast about this law because she thinks everyone on the e-mail list resented people with domestic help. Which may or may not be true, it's just confusing.

    I really do think there are folks out there who want to figure out a way to unionize this whole workforce.

    I've often wondered what would happen if I posted unionization flyers at my workplace, just to see the reaction.

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    More retarded laws. This does two things.

    1. If people obey the laws there will be more out of work nannies. What happens when you increase the price of something, fewer people want it.

    2. If people ignore the law there will be more underground economic activity.

    Nice job NY.

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    State Senator Diane J. Savino, a Democrat who sponsored the bill in her chamber, said domestic workers and farm workers were excluded from New Deal-era labor protections to appease Southern Democrats at a time when most of the workers were black.

    “The same prejudices that applied to them in 1935 have continued to apply to them both in federal law and state laws,” said Ms. Savino, who represents parts of Brooklyn and Staten Island.

    The potential for additional costs to the families who hire the caretakers is not clear. Many already voluntarily provide such benefits. Domestic workers are now covered by minimum-wage laws, and the bills would set no other mandatory wage levels.

    The bills would increase the risks of getting caught for employers who pay domestic workers off the books to avoid taxes. “That’s what we are trying to end,” Ms. Savino said.
    Sounds like it's a way to get taxes owed, and discourage paying a 'nanny' slave wages under the table, or being on-duty year after year without a break.

    Unionization isn't necessarily the goal. In fact, if some of this is labor law, they won't need a union to bargain for them.

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    I don't agree with this at least on the basis that nannies and other domestic workers don't even generally work all year. This will create another mess.

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    It's NYC. They call it a secret economy, for the

    legions of women who emancipate high-powered professionals and less glamorous working parents from the duties of daily child care.

    Those nannies, as well as other domestic workers who make possible the lives of New York’s eternally striving work force, have long gone without basic workplace guarantees that most employees take for granted.



    They used to also be called Au Pairs, and some are young European women who are "exploited".

    NYC, being the unique place it is, also has stories of the OMG whut do we do when all the Muslim nannies leave town for Ramadan (or other mass exodus for religious/cultural trips back home) oh noes!1!.

    Plus the stories of very young desperate girls whose immigrant parents "sell" their children to families as domestic workers. It's not just NYC but California and other affluent areas, too. Expose stories relating to female trafficking have been around a while.

    True Nannies are educated and certified, usually placed through an agency. Sometimes those agencies are just fronts for trading girls, but many are legitimate and professional.

    I have no idea how to weed out the exploitative and nefarious activity from the above-board, without some kind of law. Do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Sounds like it's a way to get taxes owed, and discourage paying a 'nanny' slave wages under the table, or being on-duty year after year without a break.

    Unionization isn't necessarily the goal. In fact, if some of this is labor law, they won't need a union to bargain for them.
    Actually, most nannies don't pay taxes themselves. Which can lead to effective wages that are quite high. I think that's actually a separate issue than most of the issues addressed in this legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    They used to also be called Au Pairs, and some are young European women who are "exploited".

    NYC, being the unique place it is, also has stories of the OMG whut do we do when all the Muslim nannies leave town for Ramadan (or other mass exodus for religious/cultural trips back home) oh noes!1!.
    Actually, au pairs are specifically excluded from this law. Haven't heard about the annual Muslim nanny shortage, but interesting. I imagine it's the same in high tech fields, non?

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