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Thread: Remember when they said it wasn't K-12?

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    Default Remember when they said it wasn't K-12?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-de...185900822.html

    "Forty-nine senators in the Democratic caucus are now on record supporting critical race theory in K-12 schools.

    On Aug. 11, the Senate voted to pass Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton's amendment to the budget reconciliation bill in a 50-49 vote . The amendment would allow the chairman of the budget committee to prohibit or limit federal funding from being used “to promote critical race theory or compel teachers or students to affirm critical race theory in prekindergarten programs, elementary schools, and secondary schools.”

    By all means, the amendment is not perfect. For one thing, it specifically prohibits federal funding from being used to promote “critical race theory.” And as Kaylee McGhee White wrote last month, leftists often deny that critical race theory is taught in schools, even as they defend it as something perfectly good to teach in schools. Some argue, disingenuously, that it is a concept only taught in law schools, not to children.

    The amendment also does not address concerns about race training in higher education. Hundreds of colleges and universities have begun to implement aspects of equity and critical race theory into their training, curricula, and programming. Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson’s CriticalRace.org has cataloged nearly 400 of these institutions.

    Still, some anti-critical race theory campaigners celebrated the amendment's passage. Manhattan Institute senior fellow Christopher Rufo took to Twitter, saying, "The fight against CRT has gone national — and Sen. Cotton is leading the way." And the pro-family interest group, the American Principles Project, called the amendment’s passage a “Huge win for families!”

    Critical race theory’s opponents do have reason to celebrate. They just scored a major political victory ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. Cotton’s amendment forced 47 Senate Democrats (and two independents) to vote in favor of critical race theory in K-12 schools.

    Teaching critical race theory in K-12 schools is something many voters are opposed to. A Harvard/Harris poll found that a whopping 61% of registered voters opposed teaching students that America is structurally racist. And as Conn Carroll wrote in July, Democrats do not have a unified response to the nationwide backlash. This could spell trouble for vulnerable Senate Democrats, such as Arizona’s Mark Kelly and Georgia’s Raphael Warnock.

    Republican candidates have already embraced opposition to critical race theory. U.S. Senate candidate and Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich called critical race theory a “neo-Marxist idea of how race has influenced the inception and history of our nation” in a Fox News op-ed.

    Blake Masters, another Arizona Senate candidate and chief operating officer at Thiel Capital, told the conservative America’s Comeback Tour’s attendees, “Too much of schooling in America has become a machine to uproot common sense and to replace it with something much more sinister.”

    And in response to reports that an Air Force Academy professor was pushing for the teaching of critical race theory, Georgia Senate candidate Latham Saddler said, “Critical Race Theory divides us and division has no place among our service-minded cadets.”

    By proposing his amendment, Cotton forced the Senate Democrats to show their support for critical race theory, thus handing a gift to Republicans going into the 2022 midterm elections."

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    Even you can't be so dense as to miss the fact there are many reasons to oppose this amendment, including support for free speech. But it's telling that you see race-baiting as a higher calling than free speech.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Even you can't be so dense as to miss the fact there are many reasons to oppose this amendment, including support for free speech. But it's telling that you see race-baiting as a higher calling than free speech.
    Teaching race essentialism in schools is in fact racist Loki. You seem far too comfortable treating open racists like Ibram Kendi as if they are just some cookie flat-earther as opposed to someone who is doing real harm.

    EDIT: But to the main issue - do you or do you not recall the stance that "CRT isn't even in public schools" being a talking point by the left?

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    I think they need to fund adult education because you seem to be functionally illiterate.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Teaching race essentialism in schools is in fact racist Loki. You seem far too comfortable treating open racists like Ibram Kendi as if they are just some cookie flat-earther as opposed to someone who is doing real harm.

    EDIT: But to the main issue - do you or do you not recall the stance that "CRT isn't even in public schools" being a talking point by the left?
    Quantum mechanics isn't taught in school. Would you be ok with the government passing a law banning its teaching?
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Quantum mechanics isn't taught in school. Would you be ok with the government passing a law banning its teaching?
    This btw is the entire point - it isn't just for college. The Teacher's unions and other leftists are trying to push it K-12 now.

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    Who wants to bet the idiocy lewk just posted is a result of his reading comprehension disability?

    Who would have guessed 10 years ago that lewk would be attacking the military as racist cause they've grown tired of enlisting actual racists?
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Quantum mechanics isn't taught in school. Would you be ok with the government passing a law banning its teaching?
    It's never to early to start...

    Click to view the full version
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    It's never to early to start...
    Don't do that. Start too early and they'll grow up believing time is more than just a system of measure.
    .

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    Lewk, do you actually know what Critical Race Theory is?
    Spent my days watching and waiting, killed my faith participating
    In this crusade still masquerading as the lie that we're creating
    Blinding lights leave me in silence, hopes and dreams taken with violence
    Right and wrong have made alliance, now I will turn in defiance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Lewk, do you actually know what Critical Race Theory is?
    https://christopherrufo.com/crt-briefing-book/

    A great primer and uses direct quotations of popular Critical Race Theory activists so you can see what it looks like in reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Lewk, do you actually know what Critical Race Theory is?
    qtwain
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    To give some background on lewk's source, via wikipedia

    He has been actively involved in Republican efforts to ban or restrict critical-race-theory instruction or seminars.

    Critical race theory considers the idea that racism is systemic in the United States (not just a collection of individual prejudices); Rufo described his strategy to oppose critical race theory as intentionally using the term to conflate various left-wing race-related ideas in order to create a negative association. According to Rufo, "The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.'"
    ...
    Rufo has misrepresented contents of diversity training programs and course curricula

    So yeah, lewk is defining CRT via a conservative crackpot that is purposely misdefining it.

    Dude is such a nutjob that he is against evolution and promotes intelligent design. He also thinks schools are teaching kids to follow the Aztec gods of human sacrifice to commit countergenocide against white folks.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    To give some background on lewk's source, via wikipedia

    He has been actively involved in Republican efforts to ban or restrict critical-race-theory instruction or seminars.

    Critical race theory considers the idea that racism is systemic in the United States (not just a collection of individual prejudices); Rufo described his strategy to oppose critical race theory as intentionally using the term to conflate various left-wing race-related ideas in order to create a negative association. According to Rufo, "The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.'"
    ...
    Rufo has misrepresented contents of diversity training programs and course curricula

    So yeah, lewk is defining CRT via a conservative crackpot that is purposely misdefining it.

    Dude is such a nutjob that he is against evolution and promotes intelligent design. He also thinks schools are teaching kids to follow the Aztec gods of human sacrifice to commit countergenocide against white folks.
    Literally quotes CRT activists to prove his point, literally. Like it literally, literally.

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    I still remember when the Republicans pretended to be the party of free speech.

    Hope is the denial of reality

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    So. . . what this amendment is saying is that, just as we kept telling you, it's NOT in K-12. And the GOP has passed an attention-grabbing bit of legislation to "make sure that doesn't happen" to allow gullible idiots like you to think it actually is there. Because why would they engage in this kind of grandstanding if it wasn't already there, right? What could they possibly have to gain from doing that?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Literally quotes CRT activists to prove his point, literally. Like it literally, literally.
    Not a single quote is linked, he quoted 1 person 6 times (he actually quotes the same people repeatedly to fluff this shit) he broke up at least 6 of them with ellipsis. Now considering his established history of being a cunt when it comes to defining terms fragile conservatives like yourself find scary, why do you think that your "source" is written like it is?
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 08-13-2021 at 02:44 AM.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Not a single quote is linked, he quoted 1 person 6 times (he actually quotes the same people repeatedly to fluff this shit) he broke up at least 6 of them with ellipsis. Now considering his established history of being a cunt when it comes to defining terms fragile conservatives like yourself find scary, why do you think that your "source" is written like it is?
    Kendi, DiAngelo, Applebaum and McIntosh. Are they not CRT activists in your mind?

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    Meanwhile, the Texas legislature is trying to figure out how to teach actual history to students, without calling the KKK immoral?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-klan-n1274610

    "It also states that a "teacher may not be compelled to discuss a particular current event or widely debated and currently controversial issue of public policy or social affairs."

    Soooo teachers can't answer students' questions about Gov. Abbott's ban on mask mandates in schools. Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    To give some background on lewk's source, via wikipedia

    He has been actively involved in Republican efforts to ban or restrict critical-race-theory instruction or seminars.

    Critical race theory considers the idea that racism is systemic in the United States (not just a collection of individual prejudices); Rufo described his strategy to oppose critical race theory as intentionally using the term to conflate various left-wing race-related ideas in order to create a negative association. According to Rufo, "The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.'"
    ...
    Rufo has misrepresented contents of diversity training programs and course curricula

    So yeah, lewk is defining CRT via a conservative crackpot that is purposely misdefining it.

    Dude is such a nutjob that he is against evolution and promotes intelligent design. He also thinks schools are teaching kids to follow the Aztec gods of human sacrifice to commit countergenocide against white folks.
    He's on record saying he's just gonna lump all sorts of culture war bogeymen together with "CRT" so that the halfwits know what to hate. But this whole line of argumentation is kinda missing the point. The things these thin-skinned racist dullards are trying to keep their precious children from learning—whether they constitute or are derived from or are unrelated to CRT—are generally useful and informative facts and perspectives on US society and its history, drawn from decades of good scholarship. So, while it's interesting to clarify what is and isn't CRT, it's more important to remember that this is useful knowledge about the nation that traitorous cowards are trying (and mostly failing) to keep from their children. Pathetic and contemptible conservatives being butthurt is just a minor bonus—tasty, but not the point.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Found the perfect primer for lewk, and it's by one of his favorite authors.

    Click to view the full version
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    https://christopherrufo.com/crt-briefing-book/

    A great primer and uses direct quotations of popular Critical Race Theory activists so you can see what it looks like in reality.
    I'm asking you to describe it in your own words, as if you were explaining it to someone who's never heard of it before, not reveal to everyone the grifters who you use to do your thinking for you.

    Pretend I'm from Mars and I've never heard of CRT before: what, actually, is it? In your own words.
    Spent my days watching and waiting, killed my faith participating
    In this crusade still masquerading as the lie that we're creating
    Blinding lights leave me in silence, hopes and dreams taken with violence
    Right and wrong have made alliance, now I will turn in defiance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    He's on record saying he's just gonna lump all sorts of culture war bogeymen together with "CRT" so that the halfwits know what to hate. But this whole line of argumentation is kinda missing the point. The things these thin-skinned racist dullards are trying to keep their precious children from learning—whether they constitute or are derived from or are unrelated to CRT—are generally useful and informative facts and perspectives on US society and its history, drawn from decades of good scholarship. So, while it's interesting to clarify what is and isn't CRT, it's more important to remember that this is useful knowledge about the nation that traitorous cowards are trying (and mostly failing) to keep from their children. Pathetic and contemptible conservatives being butthurt is just a minor bonus—tasty, but not the point.
    No not "all culture war bogeymen" however he will absolutely lump all CRT and CRT inspired nonsense to destroy the brand of CRT and hopefully keep race essentialism away from schools. I find it funny and telling that the boards biggest proponents of believing race should matter in things like hiring and college admissions (ie literal racists) are always defending CRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I'm asking you to describe it in your own words, as if you were explaining it to someone who's never heard of it before, not reveal to everyone the grifters who you use to do your thinking for you.

    Pretend I'm from Mars and I've never heard of CRT before: what, actually, is it? In your own words.
    A set of shitty ideas formed in academia that pushes the idea that we should treat people differently based on their race because of past or current discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    No not "all culture war bogeymen"


    Unbelievably, you're even more of an illiterate dingus than this assclown or maybe just an even bigger liar? Actually, wait, I guess the alternatives aren't mutually exclusive
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    A set of shitty ideas formed in academia that pushes the idea that we should treat people differently based on their race because of past or current discrimination.
    No, dude.

    Firstly, it's specifically a branch of legal scholarship, not some generalized theory. The key idea is not that we should treat people differently because they have been in the past or are currently being discriminated against, the core tenant is that the legal structure and institutions (including the police) of the United States are institutionally racist, and that making or remaking laws to make them ostensibly 'colour blind' or 'neutral' is not an effective remedy to this because laws can and will still be applied in racist ways: two things which are pretty self-evidently correct, as we have seen demonstrated last summer.

    For example, typical critical race theory activity would be to study the way that drug laws are disproportionately used to target none white Americans who are then given harsher sentences etc, when white Americans do at least as much drugs as black Americans, if not more.

    Also, the fact that you keep saying CRT is about "race essentialism" just goes to show you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. It's actually breathtaking how wrong you are. One of the core tenants of critical race theory is that race is a social construct. Indeed, critical theory in general tend to think pretty much everything is a social construct. That's what critical theory in general is about; the things we tend to think of as 'natural' and 'just the way things are' are actually just social constructs which uphold power structures. This makes conservatives incredibly mad because conservatives tend to think the social customs they of the period they happen to live in are the laws of the fucking universe and the power structures tend to have them at the top, and that's fine, but you could at least understand the thing you're mad at and why you should be mad about it.
    Spent my days watching and waiting, killed my faith participating
    In this crusade still masquerading as the lie that we're creating
    Blinding lights leave me in silence, hopes and dreams taken with violence
    Right and wrong have made alliance, now I will turn in defiance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    No, dude.

    Firstly, it's specifically a branch of legal scholarship, not some generalized theory. The key idea is not that we should treat people differently because they have been in the past or are currently being discriminated against, the core tenant is that the legal structure and institutions (including the police) of the United States are institutionally racist, and that making or remaking laws to make them ostensibly 'colour blind' or 'neutral' is not an effective remedy to this because laws can and will still be applied in racist ways: two things which are pretty self-evidently correct, as we have seen demonstrated last summer.

    For example, typical critical race theory activity would be to study the way that drug laws are disproportionately used to target none white Americans who are then given harsher sentences etc, when white Americans do at least as much drugs as black Americans, if not more.

    Also, the fact that you keep saying CRT is about "race essentialism" just goes to show you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. It's actually breathtaking how wrong you are. One of the core tenants of critical race theory is that race is a social construct. Indeed, critical theory in general tend to think pretty much everything is a social construct. That's what critical theory in general is about; the things we tend to think of as 'natural' and 'just the way things are' are actually just social constructs which uphold power structures. This makes conservatives incredibly mad because conservatives tend to think the social customs they of the period they happen to live in are the laws of the fucking universe and the power structures tend to have them at the top, and that's fine, but you could at least understand the thing you're mad at and why you should be mad about it.
    I'm well aware of what the proponents of CRT decide to describe it as. "branch of legal scholarship" lmao just academics circling the drain in an ever increasing purity spiral of nonsense. Be more discerning.

    As far as race essentialism vs. color blind do you actually understand what you are typing? If color blind laws do not work tell me what would we use? Oh yeah we they want to have laws that make race an underpinning factor to make sure we have equity. Affirmative Action is an example of race essentialism in action.

    Now this part is particularly fun: "Indeed, critical theory in general tend to think pretty much everything is a social construct. That's what critical theory in general is about; the things we tend to think of as 'natural' and 'just the way things are' are actually just social constructs which uphold power structures. "

    This is why people call CRT "cultural Marxism." The idea that the underlying structures are racist and must be done away because the underlying structure is fundamentally racist. This is exactly the reasoning that commies use to justify the "social construct" of laws upholding the "rights" of the bourgeoise. Once we get rid of those artificial social constructs all is well... gee sounds so similar don't they.

    The bottom line is this - if you look at someone and make a different decision to hire, to admit or treat them at all differently because of the color of their skin you are discriminating based on race. And you are a racist. CRT activists suggests we need to use race in admissions, in hiring and in general how we treat people. That is why it is racist. That is why it is shitty. Simply because they say the end goal after the "system" is demolished wouldn't require that (just like commies say that the state is no longer needed via class consciousness arising as justification for state intervention now) doesn't excuse them. The utopia never appears. If you support CRT in practice you are supporting discrimination based on race.

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    There's a reason lewk made a new thread, we already called him out on his bullshit


    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Might shed a bit of light on some of the bullshit thats popped up here:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...selves/619391/

    Republican operatives have buried the actual definition of critical race theory: “a way of looking at law’s role platforming, facilitating, producing, and even insulating racial inequality in our country,” as the law professor Kimberlé Crenshaw, who helped coin the term, recently defined it. Instead, the attacks on critical race theory are based on made-up definitions and descriptors. “Critical race theory says every white person is a racist,” Senator Ted Cruz has said. “It basically teaches that certain children are inherently bad people because of the color of their skin,” said the Alabama state legislator Chris Pringle.

    The Republican operatives, who dismiss the expositions of critical race theorists and anti-racists in order to define critical race theory and anti-racism, and then attack those definitions, are effectively debating themselves. They have conjured an imagined monster to scare the American people and project themselves as the nation’s defenders from that fictional monster.

    In other words, standard Lewk behavior.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  29. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I'm well aware of what the proponents of CRT decide to describe it as. "branch of legal scholarship" lmao just academics circling the drain in an ever increasing purity spiral of nonsense. Be more discerning.
    Where you get off telling anyone to be 'more discerning' is beyond me.

    Anyway, whether or not you think CRT is good or not has no baring on what particular branch of academia it comes under. I brought it up to point out how ridiculous it is to think they might be breaking out the critical theory and legal studies at the primary level.

    As far as race essentialism vs. color blind do you actually understand what you are typing? If color blind laws do not work tell me what would we use? Oh yeah we they want to have laws that make race an underpinning factor to make sure we have equity. Affirmative Action is an example of race essentialism in action.
    Do you? Fuck me. I posted in this thread because I thought you kept saying CRT = race essentialism because you didn't know what CRT was, but it turns you don't know what race essentialism is either. Race essentialism means you believe all races have intrinsic characteristics (their 'essence', if you will) which define all members of that race. It doesn't mean just... like, doing stuff to do with race. Just acknowledging that there is such a thing as race. The idea behind affirmative action is give opportunities to people who wouldn't otherwise get them because of prejudice. You don't need to believe races have intrinsic qualities to do that (in fact, it's better if you don't), just acknowledge the way other people will treat them will actually affect the chances they have in life in a way it wouldn't if they were white.

    The bottom line is this - if you look at someone and make a different decision to hire, to admit or treat them at all differently because of the color of their skin you are discriminating based on race. And you are a racist.
    So... if I own a pub and I have black bar staff, and I don't put any of my black staff on the shift just after the big football game ends where one team has a load of racist fans (this is a thing in Europe btw) because I don't want them to be subjected to racist abuse, or even if I give them a choice about whether or not they want that shift that I don't give white staff... I'm treating them differently because of the colour of their skin, and so therefore I'm a racist? In your opinion? That's your big theory of racial equality?

    CRT activists suggests we need to use race in admissions, in hiring and in general how we treat people.
    That's actually not the only possible conclusion you could come to if you follow CRT. You could also try changing attitudes amongst people who hire or run admissions, or you advocate for changing the way hire/admissions process work that remove sources of bias, for example, by hiding personal information from people making the hiring or admission decision. Or you could advocate for ending policies like the war on drugs which disproportionately affect non-white Americans.
    Last edited by Steely Glint; 08-14-2021 at 06:02 PM.
    Spent my days watching and waiting, killed my faith participating
    In this crusade still masquerading as the lie that we're creating
    Blinding lights leave me in silence, hopes and dreams taken with violence
    Right and wrong have made alliance, now I will turn in defiance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    or you advocate for changing the way hire/admissions process work that remove sources of bias, for example, by hiding personal information from people making the hiring or admission decision
    There's a specific phrase we could use here, color-blind. Maybe not allow the decision maker to know the name or racial characteristics of the person making the admissions decision. Heck we could even do it through a formulaic process where we just look at important predictors of success such as standardized testing scores...

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