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    Default Bangladesh freed

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ew-2024-08-05/

    i never thought I'd live to see the day

    So much promise and menace at the same time in this fraught moment. The students win, for now, but the risk of nationalist and fundamentalist takeover is higher than ever.

    Still, congrats to the undefeated world champions in protesting.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Let's just hope that what comes next isn't worse. A low bar, but still.

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    It's gonna be worse! At first! But it's difficult to put the genie back in the bottle in a country like Bangladesh. I take some comfort in knowing that this was primarily driven by the nationwide activation of normal students as well as the global activation of the Bengali diaspora. Hope their more progressive attitudes will be enough to drown out the influence of nationalists, fundamentalists, and violent authoritarians in the long term.

    Kinda thrown a spanner in my mum's construction project at a very inconvenient stage alas.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    You could say the same about Tunisia, Egypt, and Sudan. None ended well. I don't have the greatest faith in militaries to bring about democratic rule. Bangladesh does have a history of democratic rule going for it.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Last edited by BluntHorse; 08-26-2024 at 02:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ew-2024-08-05/

    i never thought I'd live to see the day

    So much promise and menace at the same time in this fraught moment. The students win, for now, but the risk of nationalist and fundamentalist takeover is higher than ever.

    Still, congrats to the undefeated world champions in protesting.
    By your definition, Bangladesh is an illegitimate ethnostate founded on the genocide of one million civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    By your definition, Bangladesh is an illegitimate ethnostate founded on the genocide of one million civilians.
    What on earth made you think I'll take you more seriously than the other people in your life?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    The lynching of Hindus is pretty awful :/ Saw the one video where the poor kid tried to take shelter at the police station and they let him be killed by the psycho Islamists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The lynching of Hindus is pretty awful :/ Saw the one video where the poor kid tried to take shelter at the police station and they let him be killed by the psycho Islamists.
    The entire subcontinent has a severe and disgusting lynching problem, but I'm curious abt where you're sourcing your snuff videos - and, above all, why, when you have access to an entire internet's worth of normal fap material.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Twitter, the place where you can find a lot of footage that would get taken down on FB. Humanity should not look away from horror. I?ve found, through personal anecdote, that a lot of the ?Islamophobia is the real issue? folks have never watched an ISIS beheading video or a Oct 7th video, and refuse to do so. Sticking your head in the sand is not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Twitter, the place where you can find a lot of footage that would get taken down on FB. Humanity should not look away from horror. I?ve found, through personal anecdote, that a lot of the ?Islamophobia is the real issue? folks have never watched an ISIS beheading video or a Oct 7th video, and refuse to do so. Sticking your head in the sand is not good.
    How often do you watch videos of beheadings? Ballpark figure
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    2 or 3 times a day or I get the shakes! lol I think I?ve seen about 4 over the course of my entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    2 or 3 times a day or I get the shakes! lol I think I?ve seen about 4 over the course of my entire life.
    Only 4? What about rape, how many rape videos have you watched in the name of humanity? Ballpark figure will do fine
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Importantly, lots of people who were disappeared have been freed. The reading is sickening.

    There needs to be severe consequences for the people who allowed this to happen.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdd7nqzj20qo

    'The howls were terrifying': Imprisoned in the notorious 'House of Mirrors'

    Ethirajan Anbarasan

    BBC NewsEPA

    Michael Chakma was snatched from a street and disappeared into a secret prison in 2019
    The man who walked out into the rain in Dhaka hadn’t seen the sun in more than five years.

    Even on a cloudy day, his eyes struggled to adjust after half a decade locked in a dimly lit room, where his days had been spent listening to the whirr of industrial fans and the screams of the tortured.

    Standing on the street, he struggled to remember his sister’s telephone number.

    More than 200km away, that same sister was reading about the men emerging from a reported detention facility in Bangladesh’s infamous military intelligence headquarters, known as Aynaghor, or “House of Mirrors”.

    They were men who had allegedly been “disappeared” under the increasingly autocratic rule of Sheikh Hasina - largely critics of the government who were there one day, and gone the next.
    But Sheikh Hasina had now fled the country, unseated by student-led protests, and these men were being released.

    In a remote corner of Bangladesh, the young woman staring at her computer wondered if her brother - whose funeral they had held just two years ago, after every avenue to uncover his whereabouts proved fruitless - might be among them?



    Relatives of the disappeared - like these ones - have been campaigning for years to uncover where their loved ones are

    The day Michael Chakma was forcefully bundled into a car and blindfolded by a group of burly men in April 2019 in Dhaka, he thought it was the end.

    He had come to authorities’ attention after years of campaigning for the rights of the people of Bangladesh’s south-eastern Chittagong Hill region – a Buddhist group which makes up just 2% of Bangladesh’s 170m-strong, mostly Muslim population.

    He had, according to rights group Amnesty International, been staunchly vocal against abuses committed by the military in the Chittagong Hill Tracts and has campaigned for an end to military rule in the region.

    A day after he was abducted, he was thrown into a cell inside the House of Mirrors, a building hidden inside the compound the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence (DGFI) used in the capital Dhaka.

    It was here they gathered local and foreign intelligence, but it would become known as somewhere far more sinister.

    The small cell he was kept in, he said, had no windows and no sunlight, only two roaring exhaust fans.

    After a while “you lose the sense of time and day”, he recalls.

    “I used to hear the cries of other prisoners, though I could not see them, their howling was terrifying."

    The cries, as he would come to know himself, came from his fellow inmates - many of whom were also being interrogated.

    “They would tie me to a chair and rotate it very fast. Often, they threatened to electrocute me. They asked why I was criticising Ms Hasina,” Mr Chakma says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluntHorse View Post
    Importantly, lots of people who were disappeared have been freed. The reading is sickening.

    There needs to be severe consequences for the people who allowed this to happen.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdd7nqzj20qo

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    Entire organization belongs in jail, but they may be more dangerous now than ever before.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    I wonder how far India from following in Hasina's footsteps.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What on earth made you think I'll take you more seriously than the other people in your life?
    If being taken seriously is why you post here, you may want to consider a different hobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    If being taken seriously is why you post here, you may want to consider a different hobby
    Again, what on earth made you think I'll take you more seriously than the other people in your life?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The entire subcontinent has a severe and disgusting lynching problem,
    Lynchings, riots, pogroms.

    I've wondered for years if it's an inevitable outcome of population size and relative dispersal. How does the subcontinent need to transform itself to move past this behavior pattern?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I wonder how far India from following in Hasina's footsteps.
    They are clearly okay with what she has done, which is why they gave her refuge.

    More likely than not, Bangladesh will have someone just as bad or even worse in power, engineered by India, of course. Very much like what happened in Egypt with regards to the Arab Spring.

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    My point is that Modi has already done most of the things Hasina was condemned for. And he's responsible for far more deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    My point is that Modi has already done most of the things Hasina was condemned for. And he's responsible for far more deaths.
    Understood. But the key difference is that Hasina did this to ostensibly ordinary Bengalis with justification that those people who she brutalised were extremists, whereas Modi is focused on an entire powerless minority whom he also paints as extremists. Furthermore, he has political support from the masses that have progressively lurched further right over the last few decades.

    Given the ideological, political and economic relationship Hasina developed with Modi during her time in power, it's no wonder that Modi will go out of his way to provide Hasina asylum.

    The important thing for me at least, is consequences. The 2002 Gujrat pogrom, arguably far worse than anything Hasina did, happened on Modi's watch, for which he was held responsible by the US and subsequently banned from entering the country (now lifted). Something tells me Modi will not suffer any consequences for his actions.

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