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    ?I NEED THE KIND OF GENERALS THAT HITLER HAD?

    On some level it's fascinating that this person became president of the US and has a 50% chance of becoming president again. Kinda need you Americans to take a step back and reflect on this deeply embarrassing state of affairs.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    ?I NEED THE KIND OF GENERALS THAT HITLER HAD?

    On some level it's fascinating that this person became president of the US and has a 50% chance of becoming president again. Kinda need you Americans to take a step back and reflect on this deeply embarrassing state of affairs.
    People don't want to believe it and so they just don't. Others (like my father) will believe it at least to a lesser extent but tell themselves it won't matter because "someone" would stop him before it goes too far. They forget that democracies can fail and that there are always people and interests that will push for that failure and seek to nullify barriers or counteracting pressures for their own ambition and short or long-term opportunity to gain power or implement their own agenda through the failure.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    But what about schools kidnapping children and forcing them to undergo sex change surgeries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    People don't want to believe it and so they just don't. Others (like my father) will believe it at least to a lesser extent but tell themselves it won't matter because "someone" would stop him before it goes too far. They forget that democracies can fail and that there are always people and interests that will push for that failure and seek to nullify barriers or counteracting pressures for their own ambition and short or long-term opportunity to gain power or implement their own agenda through the failure.
    I mean it's quite striking to see the extent to which ostensibly intelligent and well-informed voters have memory-holed the things Trump and his cronies actually did get away with. I saw a list of some of the things they did in the first month that was so insane I thought it must be wrong. Makes you wonder what said voters would consider to be "too far".

    And I can't help but wonder whether it's particularly intelligent to go for a leader who's such a malevolent manbaby that he has to constantly be managed by an army of people - whose skills would be better used for other things - just so the nation can barely get through the day. Would these voters want their own employer to be like that? Is that what they're looking for in a manager? Just unbelievably silly tbqh. Childlike naivety - except most kids are smart enough to reject evil men who do terrible things to children, so quite a bit dumber than your average kid I guess.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    I don't get it either. The best I can come up with is they only look at the direct and personal effect on them, like a cut in tax rates or having someone who isn't a native English speaker take their order . Idiocy like his tariffs? Indirect, doesn't register.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Fuzzy - people have seen him in office before. We had a great economy with low inflation prior to Covid. We had justices nominated that have done a fine job in their rulings. We also had relative peace around the globe. Oh, and yes, lower taxes!

    Trump is not a good guy but shit got done under his administration.

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    Anyone with more than a single brain cell would know that the inflation was a global phenomenon and is no worse in the US than elsewhere. They'd also know that Trump's tariffs increased prices and he's now promising to sharply increase many more tariffs. But I guess the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and cognitive dissonance are more important.

    Let's be honest, most of his supporters just hate certain groups and know he shares their views. Many (i.e., union members) are unambiguously voting against their own economic interests.

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    I think we all know why they're voting for Trump:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...georgia-rally/
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Fuzzy - people have seen him in office before. We had a great economy with low inflation prior to Covid.
    No, the economy was still struggling then. Inflation was low, I grant.

    We had justices nominated that have done a fine job in their rulings.
    Yes, responsible for such bangers as "payouts to politicians after they do your bidding is a gratuity, not corruption"

    We also had relative peace around the globe.
    We had appeasement. A policy which started under Obama, sure.

    Oh, and yes, lower taxes!
    TEMPORARY CUTS, except for the fucking rich!
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Yeah, but Lewk might become a billionaire one day, so it's better to pay higher taxes now and lower taxes when he gets rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    ?I NEED THE KIND OF GENERALS THAT HITLER HAD?

    On some level it's fascinating that this person became president of the US and has a 50% chance of becoming president again. Kinda need you Americans to take a step back and reflect on this deeply embarrassing state of affairs.
    Embarrassment is the least of the emotions I feel. I was embarrassed by GW Bush, but now god I wish someone like him was on the ballot. Trump is for real scary. His second term will very much remake America in some extreme far-right image, and it will not be good for most Americans, or the rest of the world's liberal democracies. Don't forget, the Supreme Court just ruled the President can do whatever they want without fear of prosecution, so long as they somehow tie the crime to some sort of "official duty" of the president. Trump, along with all the nasty creatures he'll empower, knows EXACTLY what to do with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I don't get it either. The best I can come up with is they only look at the direct and personal effect on them, like a cut in tax rates or having someone who isn't a native English speaker take their order . Idiocy like his tariffs? Indirect, doesn't register.
    You don't get it? That actually is a surprise to me because it's not that hard to see. What happened in the USA is that the so-called reasonable segments of political life have screwed over big parts of the population to the point where they have nothing to lose any longer. The worst that Trump can do to them isn't necessarily worse than life as they know it. What should they care if some middle class intellectuals get uneasy over having a madman for a president?

    To make people care they should have a stake. Which I doubt a lot of American voters feel they don't have any longer.

    TLDR ; since the shit hit the fan in 2008, 3 administrations were Democrat and one was Republican. That doesn't make for good optics of the Denocrats sticking up for the small guy.

    P.S. And of course Kamala Harris is a bit of a dudd. Trump has a dingbat message, she often seems to have none.
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    You don't get it? That actually is a surprise to me because it's not that hard to see. What happened in the USA is that the so-called reasonable segments of political life have screwed over big parts of the population to the point where they have nothing to lose any longer. The worst that Trump can do to them isn't necessarily worse than life as they know it. What should they care if some middle class intellectuals get uneasy over having a madman for a president?

    To make people care they should have a stake. Which I doubt a lot of American voters feel they don't have any longer.

    TLDR ; since the shit hit the fan in 2008, 3 administrations were Democrat and one was Republican. That doesn't make for good optics of the Denocrats sticking up for the small guy.

    P.S. And of course Kamala Harris is a bit of a dudd. Trump has a dingbat message, she often seems to have none.
    That must be why the GOP supports a higher minimum wage, healthcare for those with preexisting conditions, free lunches for school children, greater union protections, and definitely not trillion-dollar bailouts for large corporations and tax cuts for billionaires. They really support the little guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That must be why the GOP supports a higher minimum wage, healthcare for those with preexisting conditions, free lunches for school children, greater union protections, and definitely not trillion-dollar bailouts for large corporations and tax cuts for billionaires. They really support the little guy.
    Cool, you try to convince someone who thinks Trump deserves to be in prison.

    Maybe you shouldn't do that and explain why two times Obama and one time Biden were just as useless as Trump. Also explain to your Democrat politicians that letting that many people in hopeless third world conditions isn't something to be particularly proud of.
    Congratulations America

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    You can't convince them of anything because even if you make a good argument, it will be cancelled out by the dozens of hours of brainwashing on Twitter/Facebook/Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    You can't convince them of anything because even if you make a good argument, it will be cancelled out by the dozens of hours of brainwashing on Twitter/Facebook/Fox.
    Smart, blaming your own faults on the shortcomings of others.
    Congratulations America

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    FYI, the main GOP ads playing right now are about trans teens in school sports and illegal immigrants voting.

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    I'm obviously very sympathetic to people who are disillusioned with the dems and their constant failure to deliver literally anything, but at most I can understand why that might cause someone to either not vote or vote for a third party (not that I agree with doing that in this election). If you're outright voting Republican at this point, I think you're either driven by bigotry or wilfully ignorant.
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    Dignity is a choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    What happened in the USA is that the so-called reasonable segments of political life have screwed over big parts of the population to the point where they have nothing to lose any longer. The worst that Trump can do to them isn't necessarily worse than life as they know it.
    See, that's the sort of delusion I'm talking about. I'm not a middle class intellectual. I'm straight lower class these days and I'm fucking taking it up the ass and not in the way you and I like, and Trump can make things SO MUCH WORSE. And he wants to. Just like he already did for every woman of child-bearing age in my economic position
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    See, that's the sort of delusion I'm talking about. I'm not a middle class intellectual. I'm straight lower class these days and I'm fucking taking it up the ass and not in the way you and I like, and Trump can make things SO MUCH WORSE. And he wants to. Just like he already did for every woman of child-bearing age in my economic position
    I am not a Trump supporter. I think the man deserves to be in prison and totally capable of making near everyone on this planet poorer with his idiotic ideas. For my part of the world he’s going to be supporting all types of autocratic leaders, that will be so much fun.

    But between the two choices you allow yourself in your country, his side is the side that screws you over. The other side is the side that also screws you over but in addition tells you to be guilty on the basis of what you are.
    Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    See, that's the sort of delusion I'm talking about. I'm not a middle class intellectual. I'm straight lower class these days and I'm fucking taking it up the ass and not in the way you and I like, and Trump can make things SO MUCH WORSE. And he wants to. Just like he already did for every woman of child-bearing age in my economic position
    Another tragic tale of turnout:

    https://alabamareflector.com/2024/11...ew-gop-voters/

    Trump won this year with fewer votes than he lost with in 2020. Don't think it's entirely appropriate to draw far-reaching conclusions abt ideology from these results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Another tragic tale of turnout:

    https://alabamareflector.com/2024/11...ew-gop-voters/

    Trump won this year with fewer votes than he lost with in 2020. Don't think it's entirely appropriate to draw far-reaching conclusions abt ideology from these results
    Your resistance to learning should surprise me, but actually it doesn?t.
    Congratulations America

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    Trump team mulling plan to purge military of undesirable leaders:

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/nationa...erals-7ebaa606

    Should make plenty of room for the type of general he apparently longs for
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    Your life must be satisfying; full of Trump shenanigans and counting dead Palestinoes on the Hamas newscast.
    Congratulations America

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    Predictably terrible but also fascinating:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...-pick-00188617

    Goes without saying ppl will die or suffer bc of this if he's confirmed, but what's surprising to me is that Trump absolutely hates sharing the stage, and now he's choosing to do so with men that can, in one way or another, present a challenge to his fame/notoriety/status.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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