:haha: My bro got the new phone, and he's a lefty. I'll have to ask him if he has had a problem yet.
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:haha: My bro got the new phone, and he's a lefty. I'll have to ask him if he has had a problem yet.
Amerika, I realize you wish you were worth even a smidgen of Nazi Germany, but
You've picked the worst of the lot, you're failing, and you are destroying human beings while pretending to be a global police
So, I guess Lewk is happy, yay
Low-key, which party should a voter vote for, in case they wanted to change all this? You're such an ardent defender of the two-party system, so explain how the two polarized parties, neither of which have much interest in the human rights of people who're banned from voting, will help any of these people
Explain this to me
We have plenty of parties in America; most just don't get votes. If a sufficient number of people cared about this issue, A) a small party would make a lot of noise campaigning for it, and B) one of the larger parties would adopt the issue as part of its platform. The reality is that a vast majority of people don't give a damn, which is why neither A nor B are going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Or maybe the reality is that small parties simply don't have the means to even get their names accross to voters. Or are entirely ignored by the media.
America has a long history of singe-issue parties raising havoc and having their ideas copied by one of the parties. In these instances, the parties get support not because they have any resources (they don't), but because they express a popular view that's ignored by the two main parties. That's simply not the case with torture, which most people either implicitly support or don't care enough about to vote single-issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Hoh hoh ho!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
This isn't your usual line
You've gone out of your way to scream at innocent young Euro people how the Murikan system is more efficient, leads to more compromise and is all around better than having 11 parties to choose from come voting day
So how does that work here, exactly
Or, to pick a more poignant and less "someone raped someone's kid" example
How should a young and aspiring faggot vote?
One party actively hates them and the other doesn't much care
I guess keep voting for the dems and hoping that someone somewhere gets a bug up their ass? :/
Sounds like you nailed down the actual situation in the US. Like how decisive action on 'don't ask don't tell' means installing yet another commission inquiring the military of whether or not the US armed forces will collapse upon itself if they no longer force their gay servicemen and women into the closet, again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Well, we all know gay servicemen are the reason Srebrenica fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
If all gays (or even a majority) became strict one-issue voters and refused to vote for anyone who didn't take explicit steps to grant them equal rights, you can be sure that the DNC would push much harder for gay rights. The reality is that the DNC knows it will get most of the gay vote by just giving some lip service to gay rights, which is why progress on issues like gay marriage and gays in the military has been so slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
I'm not exactly sure that "one-issue voters" would work in the US. Because that would actually lead to a whole lot of non-voters. I mean, if you've got only two choices then your options are quite limited.
Over here we have the Greens who are quite open on such issues, the liberals (FDP) with an actually gay leader at the helm, the socialists (SPD) don't care, the Christians, well, they don't like it but Hamburg's mayor is still gay and member of the CDU, the Left I don't honestly know their position on this. And then you have several smaller parties at the communal level and the independent ones.
Makes finding someone whose positions you like a lot easier than a trinary choice (Vote A / Vote B / Don't vote).
I find it interesting that you're advocating "choice" when it comes to market forces, but when it comes to government, suddenly bigger is better. Weird, that.
A) We have something called primaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
B) A Democrat will lose as quickly from gays voting Republican as he will from gays simply choosing not to vote.
I bolded the part of your post that is patently false. Most people do NOT implicitly SUPPORT torture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Just because they don't take that single issue and run with it when they vote doesn't mean it's not an important issue. Mostly, it means we don't really know what's happening in our jails and prisons. Unless there's a journalism expose piece or a watchdog group that can smuggle out images. Or ACLU suing wardens or state prison authorities.
Nessie, that was a disturbing video, I had to stop at 3 minutes. :(
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/06/bush.torture/
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Ele...re-Debate.aspx
Can you please stop inventing your own facts?
Did someone pee in your corn flakes, Loki? WTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The "torture of suspected terrorists" and interrogation isn't quite the same as "torture of any prisoner". I didn't watch the video beyond 3 minutes, but it was in Missouli, Texas. In a US prison, when Bush was Governor of Texas.
It's a Human Rights issue. But most Americans probably think there aren't violations in US prisons. Ask them about teh terrorists who try to bomb planes and they may give a different answer. ie one form of treatment for "general criminals" and another for "evil terrorists". That doesn't mean they want to see our prisons be like Abu Ghraib.
Nice debating strategy. Keep on making ridiculous claims, and move on to new ones the second previous claims are proven wrong.
And you wonder why the entire fucking world has a low opinion of Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
The hell "torture of suspected terrorists" and interrogation isn't the same as "torture of any prisoner." They are human beings - and even animals don't deserve that sort of treatment.
WTF, it's the WTF thread, not a formal debate. We already had a thread about torture for interrogation of suspected terrorists, but not one for treatment of general prison inmates. Start a thread. :bored:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I said it was a Human Rights issue. No one deserves that type of treatment. Loki's sources show Pew polls that (depending on religion) some people are fine with torture of TERRORISTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlelolligagged
I'm saying most Americans don't think US prisons use torture for the general population. Or think prisons operate like Abu Ghraib.
It's not my fault the US has some messed up policies, or that there are arguments about whether foreign nationals accused of terrorism even have Miranda Rights. :donkey:
So WTF Loki, why not answer Nessie's question about which party to vote for, if one cares about Human Rights?
Instead of getting into an analysis of our fucked up two party system, with one set of 'rules' for gays, illegals, military, or terrorists, you could have just admitted Democrats (in general) have a better track record than Republicans when it comes to Human Rights and Social Justice.
Explain it now, since that's what she asked for. I'd like to see your explanation, too.
That's...What I said :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I found out tonight that a friend's friendship depends on whether I fall into her line of thinking or not! I'm 46 years old and supposed to fall into line with what someone else thinks? :rolleyes: Sorry GGT, but I ain't no body's patsy! I am me and that's that! You can live in your ivory tower but the rest of us live in the real world :cry: So sorry you are too good for me! :cry:
Why is it only mentals think they live "in the real world"?
It just got even weirder than it was the first time I heard about it.Quote:
NEWTON COUNTY, Ga. -- Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Newton County Sheriff’s Office officials arrested two men Monday in connection with the sexual molestation of a pregnant 10-year-old girl.
Deputies told Channel 2 Action News they learned from workers with the Department of Family and Children Services that the 10-year-old girl had been molested for several years.
Police charged Danny Lee Arnold, 19, and his brother Thomas Marcus Arnold, 21, with child molestation, incest, cruelty to children and sexual battery. Thomas Arnold faced an additional charge of aggravated sodomy.
While investigating the case, GBI agents also arrested the aunt of the Arnold brothers, Lisa Arnold, on incest charges. Agents said they found evidence that she had sex with her two nephews.
The girl is now in the care of relatives. The three suspects are being held in the Fulton County Jail.
The Arnold brothers are expected to make their first court appearance Tuesday.
:mad:
It's so fucking sad, too.
Are you saying I'm mental? :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
Well, that's interesting.Quote:
A Utah mom allegedly doctored a pornographic photo of a woman having sex with a dog, superimposing into the picture the face of a 13-year-old girl who attends middle school with her daughter.
Danette Stark, 37, appeared in court Monday to face 18 counts of sexual exploitation of a minor. Prosecutors said she created the image, put it into fliers and distributed them at Northwest Middle School in Salt Lake City.
Authorities said surveillance video showed Stark entering the seventh-grade bathroom at the school on the second to the last day of classes. A custodian found the fliers in the bathroom and contacted local authorities, Salt Lake County District Attorney Lohra Miller told FoxNews.com.
She said Stark admitted to making 30 fliers, but police recovered only 18 of them.
“If anyone sees copies of these they need to turn them over to police immediately,” Miller said. “If they distribute it, make copies or put on the Internet, they are committing a crime of distributing pornography under Utah law. “
Stark allegedly told police that she believed the unidentified girl “wronged” her in some way.
Stark has a daughter who is the same age as the girl. Attorney Steve Russell, who was standing in for her attorney, said he wouldn’t explain the relationship between the two teens, but he told the Deseret News, “I’m sure they know each other.”
Police say Stark found the photos on the Internet and placed the fliers, which included derogatory comments directed toward the girl, into several students’ lockers in addition to the bathroom.
Miller told FoxNews.com that this is the district's first case of social networking bullying, and they are trying to keep the 13-year-old girl’s identity as private as possible.
“She is traumatized by the event,” Miller said. “We are trying to keep her privacy protected as much as possible to help keep her life as normal as possible.”
Phone messages left for Stark and the Salt Lake City School District were not immediately returned. Stark’s attorney did not have an immediate comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/28...c-images-girl/
I had the realization yesterday that If I joined the Air Force next year, I would end up fighting in a war that started when I was six. :bulb:
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmunchkin
You are a bit mental. ;)
And all over the shop, too. Now, i love the booze, but when its fucking up my every day life, my relationships with people who like me, making me fall and further injure my already fucked body and presumably also costing me a big chunk of my income, id consider it time to drop off if a bit.
Try some other drugs, w/e
Err, assuming you need to be 18 to join any army, what war started in '98?Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermarioman
Well, ok maybe I am a bit mental, on occasion! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
I think the biggest problem is the other drugs have stopped working as well as they should. I have built up a huge tolerance to them. After all, I have been taking the vicodin since October of '08, and the Lyrica since December of '08. :bulb:
One of the possible Russian Spies. I'm having a hard time coming to terms with the idea that at least some part of the James Bond movies may be true.
http://i.imgur.com/lJUk6.jpg
Spy or not, every chick has a facebook page.
I was born in 94, and you can join the U.S Military when you're 17. Crazy, I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Talkin bout the longest US war ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...2%80%93present)
That seems young to go to war (or don't they send you out until over 18?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermarioman
Anyway, as far as long lasting wars go we have you beat ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years%27_War
That just goes to show that you dont know enough about your history. Never heard of the three hundred and thirty five years war? No surprise, your country pretty much forgot about it for 300 years anyway :)
Thats right, the indomitable Isles of Skilly held of the ravenous Dutch marauders for over 300 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_H...e_Years%27_War
I'm going have to make a thread if this Spy stuff gets anymore WTF.
Interpol claims you're a spy. You get arrested.
Who the fuck considers bail a good idea?
That wasn't a real war! They just forgot to declare peace. They're not even sure if there ever was a war, apparently :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
Serious WTF story. Sounds like a bad reality tv show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
http://thefoxtheatre.tumblr.com/post...or-that-one-of
This is truly awesome. :p
My team was given an absurd and unrealistic goal at work. If we make the goal, we are minimally compensated compared to the reward for previous assignments like this. Economy is clearly going south again.
You're a funny dude. Some of us have been saying the recession may "technically" be over, but the economy still sucks and is very fragile. You talk about getting stimulus money back, expecting the private sector to pick up the slack, when that is still weak as hell because the consumer is still strapped and jittery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
But you only admit it when it comes to your personal job/experience? WTF
Welcome to the Middle East, where fiction trumps reality every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Probably the Cypriot judge rules on the basis of the idea that it's difficult to get off an island. Truth of course is that if you go to the north of Cyprus you can take a plane or boat to Turkey. That's because effectively the Cypriot government doesn't have jurisdiction over that part of the country .