I didn't watch, but is it true they dodged yet another red card?
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I didn't watch, but is it true they dodged yet another red card?
Close. You could give a red for that, but you don't have to.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
The Spanish have played for possession for to many years, always looking for the intricate pass from their false number 10 (Xavi for example) to the runs of the attacking midfield players or even a lone wolf forward like Diego Costa or Torres before him. This is where the likes of Barcelona have been found out!
If you look at the last two domestic seasons, you'll see elements of the old Dutch ways of Total Football/counter attacking football winning vital games like the Champions League final. Noticeable games include: B.Munich vs Barcelona CL Final and Real Madrid vs Athletico Madrid CL Final.
I don't think Spain will change their ways, however I still wouldn't underestimate them and simply park the bus in front of goal waiting for the opportunity to counter.
Nope, I've not been impressed by them for quite a few years. They've got a young player in Neymar who's been hyped up far to much and a suspect defence (Luiz was dire at times for Chelsea). For a country which prides itself in being 'The Spirit of the Game', they cheat an awful lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
I saw they tried to con the ref again for a penalty!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Well, silva is complaining they didn't get a penalty because of the media :p
Silva should have scored with his header! He was completely free to do as he pleases but sent the ball straight to the keeper. He can blame his team mates for the lack of a penalty too - the Brazilians are to theatrical. Fred cons ref against Croatia, Marcelo tries it against Mexico but doesn't get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
You'd think people would wise up to it after Rivaldo in 2002.
Brazil played like a bunch of individuals, not a team. Too much hogging of the ball, trying to do something fancy when passing would be the better option.They were listless too.
Mexico impressed, quick-flowing fast football. I was shouting at the tv for them to score as time wore on in the second half.
You know, for a game where the average team scores 1-2 goals a game, does it really make sense so have a penalty kick, which goes in a vast majority of the time? It creates far too much incentive for players to cheat in order to obtain that kick. It doesn't help that all one needs to do to get a penalty kick is to get knocked over in the penalty area. I know it's wishful thinking, but soccer should adopt the NHL standards for penalties: you only get a penalty kick if there's no one but the goalie in front of you, you get knocked over, and you're unable to get a solid shot on goal because of being knocked over. This would make reduce the success rate of flopping, reduce the number of penalty kicks, and make teams play a game that's less centered around getting knocked over in the penalty area.
Sure, some teams have a strategy of maximizing possession, even when it's not "good possession". But think of the counter-factual. The Aussies had even possession with the Dutch today, but were out-shot. As a result, they lose 3-2. Does anyone believe that if the Aussies were outshot and the Dutch had the ball twice as often, the score would still be 3-2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lor
Phew, that was quite a hard match. I think the Dutch side underestimated the Australians a bit, almost to their detriment. On the other hand, the referee at times seemed to play as the 12th man of the Australians. That penalty was totally undeserved. And Cahill should have been sent off with red.
Which brings me to Loki's idea about penalties; I think such a penalty rule would clash with the off-side rule. But I could be mistaken.
Wouldn't you still be onside as long as you were even with an opposing player when the ball was initially kicked in your direction? Or if you simply managed to dribble around the last defending player? I just fail to see the rationale for giving a penalty kick, which goes in about 85% of the time, just because someone gets knocked over in the penalty area, which they have perhaps a 10% chance of scoring. Make the punishment fit the crime.
This rule already applies to the red card rule for last man. So instead of giving a red card and penalty, you would "downgrade" the punishment.
Foul Situation: Now -> New
In penalty box: Yellow & Penalty -> Free kick
In penalty box, clear chance or last man: Red & penalty -> Yellow & penalty
Outside last man: Red & free kick -> Yellow & free kick
But what do you do if the foul was closer then 9 meters to the goal?
Spean on the way out.
Aye - Just got home from work n switched on the box at half time.
Chile 2 - 0 Spain :eek:
Deserves a big wtf
Maybe give the fouling team a choice between a red card or a penalty?Quote:
Originally Posted by earthJoker
SIX minutes? I feel the rules are being skewed on the fly in favor of the countries with the biggest money in their leagues.
Six minutes sure seemed crazy.
Adios Spain :D
And bye bye Australia, Holland and Chile will advance. Only question is who they'll play next round.
It's not unlikely that Brazil will finishs second. That would make a strange 3rd game with no-one willing to win.
Btw, cahill's goal was niiice
Yeah, not necessarily because the Brazilian side is so wonderful, but they'll rule the crowd and I doubt the referee will be really independent either.Quote:
Originally Posted by earthJoker
And there goes England :p
Aye. Half time, deserved goal from Uruguay, a peach of a header from Suarez.
And England continues to love Suarez? :P
I take it Liverpool is getting kicked out of the Premiership now? :o
Suarez exiled to the Norwegian 2nd Division. No, I dunno what it is about him, but I just can't help but freaking LOVE Suarez. He is such a troll, and so good at what he does. Real striker.
Is this the first world cup where England got eliminated before the US? :o
Uruguay 2 - 1 England :haha:
Uruguay played pretty well, and Suarez is sublime, but calling England mediocre would be a huge compliment.
Their not yet out, but maybe today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
So, the question now becomes: How many of the former World Cup winners will survive the preliminary matches? :p
:oQuote:
Originally Posted by earthJoker
As I said, maybe today. Now Uruguay has to win the next match :up:
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Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Were are our defenders? :mad:
Still 0-0. but who would have predicted Iran would have the upper hand vs. argentina? :bulb:
How do you figure they have an upper hand? They're hanging on for dear life.
Now yeah, but when I was watching earlier they were the only ones with decent chances (and maybe deserved a penalty). If Argentina still scores, it will be an undeserved win if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Only managed to see the last 20 minutes. Messi's goal was sterling really. Too bad it helped Argentina ahead :D
Germany's finally woken up. :)
Belgium through :)
edit: it amuses me how Belgians, who usually mock us for being way too into the national team, are doing that themselves this time :P I mean, they've got big screens all around, you can even watch in a stadium, while over here that kind of stuff doesn't happen yet - my city already said they won't show matches on public big screens until the quarterfinals, if we reach those.