http://news.yahoo.com/miami-teen-gra...171309825.html
"MIAMI BEACH, Florida (Reuters) - Miami Beach, Florida, police are investigating the death of an 18-year-old graffiti artist who died after being shot with a Taser during a pre-dawn chase with officers who said they caught him spray-painting a building."
Will a lesson be learned here or will we just have random whining about Tasers?
The furious masturbating over at Freep drowns out the whining, surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Ah but was the graffiti artist drawing pictures of toothpaste?
This is such an unfortunate incident.
HOWEVER
The kid was not tased because he was spraying grafitti. He was sprayed because he charged the cops.
BIG DIFFERENCE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE
Freep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
Why do we even reply to this guy? You have no respect. I will not be replying to any of Lewk's posts of this type for an entire year From August, 18 2013, to August, 18 2014.
Im afraid I dont get it. Is it the fact that the kids punishment (though unintentional) was massively disproportionate to the crime thats got you all excited here?
Hopefully all the other kids who think about misdemeanors learn that the government might kill them pre-trial and then they might not damage private property. Because living in fear of your government is the important lesson... (Somehow its no surprise that you're a christian...)
While horrified that the kid died over something so stupid, it was not punishment being meted out by the police.
So whats the point of Lewks post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Trolling?
Its am important lesson - don't mess with other people's stuff. Most of the time you won't die but every now and then you get zapped or gunned down. In hindsight does ANYONE think putting graffiti on a wall is worth the possibility of dying? Private property is one of the most sacred rights of society, violate it at your risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawnie
I like the self-labeled Christian arguing for property rights over the sanctity of human life.
He also believes in science and hates inconsistency, it's hilarious :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
We can talk about things with their proper names if you'd like, but I gather you're just venting there.
LEWK.... dont be a dumbass.
The kid wasn't tasered for messing with private property, he was tazed for charging the cops.
This doesn't support your agenda, at all. Your original point is mute. Plain and simple.
If your point was don't charge cops... you would have a point. Here, you don't
Moot, not mute.
Its a chain of events. First he violates private property then the police confront him. Yes if he stopped making bad choices at that point he would be dead but what participate the event was his choice to violate someone by marring their property.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAnOgre
Thanks Ness.... and all these years I've been using it wrong..... Engineering school with no English Department FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessus
It doesn't matter if he destroyed property or not..... if you charge cops, you run the risk of being tased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
If I'm eating at a restaraunt, and I see a cop, and I get up and charge the cop and get tased and die..... what is the root cause of me getting tased? Charging the cop.
Your point is moot Lewk (Thanks Ness)
Another part to highlight would be that the cops didn't want to kill him, otherwise they would have shot him with a handgun instead of a taser.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAnOgre
That's a horrible example, Ogre. :p Maybe you're "charging" toward the bathroom, because you're having an intestinal emergency. Maybe you're "charging" toward the emergency exit that opens to the parking lot, because you got an emergency call from home. Only a paranoid or badly trained cop would assume you're charging them simply because they happen to be positioned between you and that door, and use their taser.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAnOgre
I didn't see that in the article or video though, nor in another newsreport, source? Closest I found was:Quote:
Originally Posted by ImAnOgre
That could be charging, but just as well running away from said cop. If he died after charging the cop, sure, it's sad that the taser killed him but it's not unreasonable that they fired it. If they ran away.. As this shows, and has been shown many times before, a taser is a weapon, and has dangers. I thought the point of it was to use it instead of a gun, to stop threats with (a lot) less chance of seriously wounding the perp. It isn't meant as a way of stopping someone running away (or even simply defying police orders, as has also happened before), much like a gun isn't. And if the pursuing cops lost sight of him for two seconds, and he ran into the other cops in the meantime, it doesn't exactly sound like he was getting away anyway, though I wasn't there so I don't really know that.Quote:
"During the foot pursuit, the subject encountered officers face to face... and ignored officers' commands to stop," MBPD Chief Raymond Martinez said in a statement. "In order to affect his arrest, an officer deployed his conducted electrical weapon (TASER)."
Though Lewk is okay with shooting suspects in the back if they are running away and no threat at all, so I'm guessing he disagrees there.
Good point, though to me it depends on the circumstances I said above. Another interesting part to me is that the video claims the reason he was so desperately trying to get away because he was afraid of losing his residency - a misdemeanor isn't so bad, but it can be if the consequences are so big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illusions
Well, he was okay with tagging someone else's property at the risk of loosing his residency...so maybe he was really stupid after all.
do we have a picture of his tag?
This guy was an artist with works in several museums and libraries around florida. So was this a tag marking territory, or a piece he was creating to add life to an abandoned building?
And the police have to make this distinction?
no, but I don't see where the police called this is a tag either. the point was concerning the loaded terminology being used in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
So what is really the point here? If what he was doing was sanctioned, then I'm not sure why he ran.
If what he did was not sanctioned, then he should not have been doing it.
I made this post in other threads and back on the Atari forums, but this should be irrelevant to the discussion at hand, unless you want to put forth the idea that because I'm an artist, I'm allowed to decorate the exterior of your house, car, or other property however I feel is aesthetically fitting regardless of any permission you give me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
the point i was making is that tags are vandalism, but not all vandalism means tags. Using loaded terms like tags reinforces to lewk's trolling.
Unless you have explicit permission of the property owner violating those property rights is equally bad weather you create "art" or your putting up gang signs. Private property is sacrosanct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
http://www.wptv.com//dpp/news/nation...-them-for-help
Don't run at the police bro :(
Splitting hairs just a wee bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
I don't care if some dude thinks he's the next Picaso, if he vandalizes something I don't think I need to get my Politically Correct reference guide out to call it something that does not make him feel bad about it.
Loaded terms...sheesh.
not splitting hairs at all. i pointed out one of the many reasons its so hard to have honest debates here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
This guy may have been a published artist with works in museums and libraries around the state, but I guessing he didnt considered himself the next picaso. Nor has anyone defended his actions here, even if some of it can be chalked up to natural flight behavior.
That however doesn't justify the idea of using incorrect/sensational terminology because it better fits to further criminalize ones actions in your mind, much less defend its use once corrected.
Okay, we can just use vandalize. That good? It gets him the same punishment. Well normally, in this case he died by accident in the course of an arrest.
I'm sorry OG, I don't want to assume what you are thinking, but I do get the impression that you don't think he really did anything wrong.