Great story!

[Lewkowski]

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...,-kills-robber

DETROIT (WXYZ) - A Detroit pizza delivery man turned the tables on three would be crooks Sunday night.
The driver for Papa’s Pizza shot and killed one of the men who attempted to ambush and rob him around 10 o’clock. The address provided was a vacant home on the 20000 block of McCormick on Detroit’s east side, one block from the border of Harper Woods.
A neighbor, who did not wish to be identified, said she heard “4, 5, 6 shots.” Once she mustered up the courage to look out her window, she said she saw a man holding a gun and talking on his cell phone. She also noticed what she described as a “lump” on the ground. She learned later that was the body of the one of the suspects and the man with the gun was the pizza delivery man.
The manager at the pizza shop told Action News his employee has a concealed weapons permit along with many of his other drivers. He was not hurt but was shaken up over the incident, according to the manager.
Harper Woods police responded to the 911 emergency calls along with Detroit Police. A Harper Woods Police sergeant apprehended and detained two men who were running from the area of the attempted holdup. They were later turned over to Detroit Police. The adult males are both residents of Harper Woods.
Police have yet to identify the man who was killed by the pizza delivery man. Their investigation is continuing.


Another case of justice by gun. The only sad part is the two other accomplices didn't also die.

[Veldan Rath]

From an RPG viewpoint, would you be a forest, frost, or cave troll?

[Being]

@Lewk -- I vote we treat you like Katz and limit your musings to a single thread.

[Loki]

I hope the other two robbers get charged with murder.

[GGT]

Leave it to Lewk to enjoy death-by-gun, instead of citing stories like this http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-pi...210646020.html as part of the gun debate.

[Lewkowski]

I hope the other two robbers get charged with murder.

They should!

[Lewkowski]

From an RPG viewpoint, would you be a forest, frost, or cave troll?

This is no different then someone posting a thread about Republicans doing a bad thing because they want to paint Republicans in a bad light. My purpose is to point out that a criminal is dead. A gun made the difference.

[GGT]

....My purpose is to point out that a criminal is dead. A gun made the difference.

Vigilantism is your preferred method of crime control. It's a crappy way to defend the 2nd Amendment.

[Loki]

You might want to look up the definition of vigilantism. This was most likely self-defense.

There are stories of pizza delivery men getting attacked in the not so nice part of town here at least once a month. It wouldn't hurt to put some fear of God into these thugs.

[Being]

Lewk should look up the definition of then. Oh wait, he probably already has and uses it incorrectly to purposely troll us. Like I said, limit his musings to a single thread.

[Veldan Rath]

This is no different then someone posting a thread about Republicans doing a bad thing because they want to paint Republicans in a bad light. My purpose is to point out that a criminal is dead. A gun made the difference.

I call them doucebags too.

But it does say a lot that GGT equates self defense to being a vigilante.

[Timbuk2]

5,740 Children and Teens were Killed by Guns in 2008 and 2009

In 2008, 2,947 children and teens died from guns in the United States and 2,793 died in 2009 for a total of 5,740—one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 55 every week for two years.

The number of preschoolers killed by guns in 2008 (88) and in 2009 (85) was nearly double the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in 2008 (41) and 2009 (48).

2008
2,947 total firearm fatalities
2,037 homicide
748 suicide
162 accidental or undetermined
2,577 boys
370 girls
2,571 between ages 15-19
408 under age 15
148 under age 10
88 under age 5

2009
2,793 total firearm fatalities
1,855 homicide
800 suicide
138 accidental or undetermined
2,434 boys
359 girls
2,439 between ages15-19
354 under age 15
151 under age 10
85 under age 5


34,387 Children and Teens were Injured by Guns in 2008 and 2009

Six times as many children and teens—34,387—suffered nonfatal gun injuries as gun deaths in 2008 and 2009. This is equal to one child or teen every 31 minutes, 47 every day, and 331 children and teens every week.

2008
20,596 total nonfatal firearm injuries
16,187 assault
3,998 accidental
411 self-harm
19,253 boys
1,343 girls
18,819 between ages 15-19
1,777 under age 15
607 under age 10
238 under age 5

2009
13,791 total nonfatal firearm injuries
10,038 assault
3,588 accidental
165 self-harm
11,928 boys
1,862 girls
12,932 between ages 15-19
858 under age 15
240 under age 10
149 under age 5

The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States. The gun homicide rate in the United States for teens and young adults ages 15 to 24 was 42.7 times higher than the combined rate for the other nations.

~

GUNS GUNS GUNS

Kill a child every 3 hours folks! Or why not maim one every 31 minutes! Just sign up to the NRA and visit your nearest gun shop! Step right up!

[Veldan Rath]

And your solution is?

[Timbuk2]

Keep on killing and maiming of course!

More GUNS GUNS GUNS!

[Lewkowski]

5,740 Children and Teens were Killed by Guns in 2008 and 2009

In 2008, 2,947 children and teens died from guns in the United States and 2,793 died in 2009 for a total of 5,740—one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 55 every week for two years.

The number of preschoolers killed by guns in 2008 (88) and in 2009 (85) was nearly double the number of law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty in 2008 (41) and 2009 (48).

2008
2,947 total firearm fatalities
2,037 homicide
748 suicide
162 accidental or undetermined
2,577 boys
370 girls
2,571 between ages 15-19
408 under age 15
148 under age 10
88 under age 5

2009
2,793 total firearm fatalities
1,855 homicide
800 suicide
138 accidental or undetermined
2,434 boys
359 girls
2,439 between ages15-19
354 under age 15
151 under age 10
85 under age 5


34,387 Children and Teens were Injured by Guns in 2008 and 2009

Six times as many children and teens—34,387—suffered nonfatal gun injuries as gun deaths in 2008 and 2009. This is equal to one child or teen every 31 minutes, 47 every day, and 331 children and teens every week.

2008
20,596 total nonfatal firearm injuries
16,187 assault
3,998 accidental
411 self-harm
19,253 boys
1,343 girls
18,819 between ages 15-19
1,777 under age 15
607 under age 10
238 under age 5

2009
13,791 total nonfatal firearm injuries
10,038 assault
3,588 accidental
165 self-harm
11,928 boys
1,862 girls
12,932 between ages 15-19
858 under age 15
240 under age 10
149 under age 5

The most recent analysis of data from 23 industrialized nations shows that 87 percent of the children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United States. The gun homicide rate in the United States for teens and young adults ages 15 to 24 was 42.7 times higher than the combined rate for the other nations.

~

GUNS GUNS GUNS

Kill a child every 3 hours folks! Or why not maim one every 31 minutes! Just sign up to the NRA and visit your nearest gun shop! Step right up!

Before we ban guns maybe we should ban cars since they are FAR more deadlier.


http://www.childdeathreview.org/nati...talitydata.htm

Selected Causes of Death, Ages 0-19, per 100,000 Population (2007)
Cause Number of Deaths Mortality Rate
Natural 36,272 44.1
Perinatal Conditions 14,570 17.7
Congenital Anomalies 6,896 8.4
Neoplasms 2,302 2.8
Respiratory Disease 1,442 1.8
Circulatory Disease 1,666 2.0
Nervous System Disease 1,609 2.0
SIDS 2,453 3.0
Unintentional Injury 11,560 14.0
Motor Vehicle 6,683 8.1
Drowning 1,056 1.3
Fire/Burn 544 0.7
Poisoning 972 1.2
Suffocation/Strangulation 1,263 1.5
Firearm 138 0.2
Homicide 3,345 4.1
Firearm 2,186 2.7
Suicide 1,665 2.0
Firearm 683 0.8
Suffocation/Strangulation 739 0.9
Poisoning 133 0.2

[Ominous Gamer]

Keep on killing and maiming of course!

More GUNS GUNS GUNS!

especially if he is going to keep rehashing points and bad information thats been addressed a hundred different times in others' threads.



edit:

could have swore this post originally agreed that lewk's boring rantings should be kept to a single thread.

[GGT]

To Loki and Veldan: I'm not equating self-defense with vigilantism (or commenting on this specific story). Just noting Lewk's penchant for using guns first, instead of other security measures to prevent or treat crime. He'd rather bypass police and our court system in almost every scenario he posts. Plus his twisted delight in people getting shot and dying....and calling that justice.

[Loki]

The police and the courts aren't of much use to you at the moment that you're being attacked.

[Lewkowski]

To Loki and Veldan: I'm not equating self-defense with vigilantism (or commenting on this specific story). Just noting Lewk's penchant for using guns first, instead of other security measures to prevent or treat crime. He'd rather bypass police and our court system in almost every scenario he posts. Plus his twisted delight in people getting shot and dying....and calling that justice.

Overall - are you happy or sad when you learn a citizen has successfully defended themselves from the criminal threat using lethal force? On the whole I'm pretty positive about it.

*The person who acted in self defense is safe (this is the most important part)
*The criminal can no longer harm other people (most criminals don't just do one crime)
*The news about a criminal dying during a crime acts as a deterrent to other would be criminals

On the negative side yes someone did die (they deserved to but nonetheless death is a tragedy).

I get the feeling though you view the entire event as being horrible. I think you would rather have the victim be robbed and the criminal get away then have victim defend themselves and the criminal die.

[Veldan Rath]

Lewk, celebrating the death of an aggressor is ghoulish. I look at the fact the intended victim is fine, and I am indifferent to the aggressor's current status.

[Loki]

Why? Would you prefer the guy got a year in jail and then did the same thing again? Over and over again?

[GGT]

Overall - are you happy or sad when you learn a citizen has successfully defended themselves from the criminal threat using lethal force? On the whole I'm pretty positive about it.

*The person who acted in self defense is safe (this is the most important part)
*The criminal can no longer harm other people (most criminals don't just do one crime)
*The news about a criminal dying during a crime acts as a deterrent to other would be criminals

If you're concerned about safety and self-defense as the most important part, then don't fight taxes that fund adequate-to-excellent
*public infrastructure (including street lights)
*public police
*public education

Your view on criminal recidivism needs some factual data back-up, and a reality check. Our jails and prisons are meant to include some form of rehabilitation, not just act as a deterrent to crime (or turn the incarcerated *into* repeat offenders). Our social development programs are meant to prevent criminality and desperation. Our public police and public prosecutors/defenders rely on public funding. All those things mean some form of taxation...which you're also opposed to. How convenient?

On the negative side yes someone did die (they deserved to but nonetheless death is a tragedy).

Hypocrite. On one hand you want to act as judge and jury....while denying to Caesar what is justly due. Jesus weeps.

[Loki]

Judges and juries get to decide whether the killing in question was in self-defense...So the person doing the shooting is hardly the judge, jury, and executioner.

[Veldan Rath]

Why? Would you prefer the guy got a year in jail and then did the same thing again? Over and over again?

No, please re-read what I posted. The attacker is dead, I am ambivalent to that, in that I don't rejoice in his death, neither do I weep. I'm glad that the intended victim manged to defend himself.

[Loki]

Getting the criminal permanently off the street is going to help much more than one person. Many of these people commit hundreds if not thousands of crimes. I read an interview with some burglar who admitted to 1,000 burglaries, though he was only in jail for 2 of them.

[GGT]

Lethal shooters become judge, jury and executioner since they eliminate the defendant from legal proceedings. That's a huge flaw in how SYG and Castle doctrine laws are written and adjudicated. Feel threatened? Just shoot-to-kill. Don't worry about forensic evidence.

Contrary to TV shows that make criminal justice look like Quincy, MD or Law and Order SVU....the truth is that most public police, detectives, pathologists, criminologists, and attorneys are woefully underfunded.

[Veldan Rath]

Getting the criminal permanently off the street is going to help much more than one person. Many of these people commit hundreds if not thousands of crimes. I read an interview with some burglar who admitted to 1,000 burglaries, though he was only in jail for 2 of them.

Why are you arguing with me when we agree? I'm just not trumpeting the death. I'm okay with it, just not throwing a parade about it.

[Ominous Gamer]

Many of these people commit hundreds if not thousands of crimes.

citation needed. curious where these weasel words are going to fall.

[Loki]

One of the books by James Q. Wilson. He interviewed a bunch of criminals to see why they do it.

[GGT]

One book by one author should lead our public policy?