http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shootingOriginally Posted by RandBlade
I believe that this is the first successful terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11?
What's odd is that nobody has "claimed credit" for it yet, the Islamic terrorist groups are normally quite quick at doing so nowadays. What's really twisted is that 2 bombs and 3 dead, those responsible may be feeling disappointed
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you're thinking we use actual cans, like metal cylinder cans?
no, events like this use plastic trash receptacles, collapsible designs that you're more likely to associate with ikea laundry bins, or cardboard frames with plastic bags.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
It's refreshing to go to American cities and have trash receptacles available as a norm. I'm happy for those across the pond not to have had to learn the hard way to have to remove them. It's really irritating here how few bins are available - though hardly a surprise - even my tiny hometown was bombed by the IRA with 2 kids killed by a bomb in the town centre. The bins weren't replaced and aren't there anymore.
I hope this never becomes a regular occurrence for Americans, just as I'd hope its history for us now.
Agreed on the irritation. I think that lack of abundant trash/recycling receptacles is a big contributor to litter... though obviously I understand the security imperatives.
The T was an armed camp today. Blech. Hoping it settles down soon, though there's still 12 blocks near downtown cordoned off. At least the bridges are open.
According to the AP, the items weren't hiding in trash cans
"The explosives were in 6-liter pressure cookers and placed in black duffel bags. The bombs were placed on the ground and contained shards of metal, nails and ball bearings,"
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Sick or evil?Awful.
What kind of mind wants this.
Seems April is a bad month for horrible events in the US. Since they chose Patriot Day and Tax Day, that makes me think it's a domestic group or individual. They obviously knew enough about the marathon to time it for when large groups of runners and spectators were at the finish line. I'm speculating, but the types of bombs used were designed to inflict maximum damage (with low flying shrapnel), but not necessarily immediate death....since they had to know the medical tents and EMS personnel were there too, and not far from great trauma hospitals.
This is a standard Palestinian practice; not that I think a Palestinian group is responsible. Outside chance of this being some Pakistani; the London bombers did something similar.
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So far, all it points to is someone knew how to use Google to make pressure-cooker shrapnel bombs....with enough knowledge about pre-marathon bomb sweeps to place them just afterward....and how to hide in plain sight. That's about it.
Wow, the intarwebs and social media have already moved to the judicial process, and how to treat a "foreigner" differently (harsher) than "citizens".
Maximum damage yeah but I don't know about "not necessarily immediate death." The power of the devices was rather limited and it's possible they might not have killed anyone if the explosion itself was the only source of harm. It was probably the only way to be sure of causing any appreciable human harm without a bigger/more powerful bomb which might have been detected ahead of time.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
The bomb devices would have been more deadly in a lesser prepared city/event.
Plus putting it on the finish line ensures cameras will capture it.
Nonetheless, a senior law enforcement official said that authorities were also looking into connections between pressure cookers and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Qaeda franchise in Yemen, largely because the design of the explosive device was described in a 2010 issue of the group’s online English magazine, Inspire.
“The pressurized cooker is the most effective method,” the article said. “Glue the shrapnel to the inside of the pressurized cooker.” The article was titled “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/us...agewanted=2&hp
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I suppose it's relatively easy to obtain the design, but what's surprising is that nobody has claimed this bombing so far.
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I once experienced first hand what happened when somebody left a little plastic bag hanging on a fence around the national monument in Taksim Square, Istanbul. Within minutes half the square was cordoned off and it wasn't re-opened until a bomb squad had established it didn't contain anything explosive. An unattended back pack/ weekend bag would not have happened very easily there; people would have reported it to the police immediately.
This kind of bombs is successful mostly when people are not aware of the risks.
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Come on, preparations must have been real lax for two bags to be left unattended with nobody reacting to that being the case.
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I think she meant preparation for the aftermath of incidents like this - response was apparently pretty good. I guess a big event like this is relatively safe because there's already a lot of emergency services present, and for big events contingency plans are prepared.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
You don't seem to get that unattended bags aren't viewed the same here. Usually if someone leaves a purse or a bag, we just try to take it to an authority where they can pick it up. In a large crowd, its easy for someone to put a backpack on the ground and just walk away; everyone thinks he/she is coming back. I get that this sort of thing has been the MO of various European terrorists, but its been relatively uncommon here.
O..kay. I'm not certain what relevance this has for the bomber, his bomb design, or his intentions though. I know that since it's you we're not going to be applying either Occam's or Hanlon's Razor but just what are you trying to get at? Are you postulating that whoever it is chose not to bomb an event but an event to bomb with the deliberate intent to do a lot of mangling/mutilating/crippling but not kill many, if any, people?
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
AP is announcing an arrest.
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I get that, and I think it's imprudent. The US Homeland is a target.
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I made a mistake here. I walked down Bank Street earlier today and noticed there's bins there. Quite a few in fact.It's refreshing to go to American cities and have trash receptacles available as a norm. I'm happy for those across the pond not to have had to learn the hard way to have to remove them. It's really irritating here how few bins are available - though hardly a surprise - even my tiny hometown was bombed by the IRA with 2 kids killed by a bomb in the town centre. The bins weren't replaced and aren't there anymore.
I hope this never becomes a regular occurrence for Americans, just as I'd hope its history for us now.
Did you check them for CCTV camera's ?
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false alarm, though they do have video of a suspect
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
CCTV second nature all over the UK and not always visible anyway, so no.
Given the bottom of the road is where most of the drunks end up on Fri/Sat nights (the bombing was at the top part) I'd be nearly 100% certain there's cameras there regardless.
What Flixy said -- medical emergency preparedness in general, particularly at the finish line. That kept the death toll lower than it would have been in a smaller city (with fewer Level I trauma centers nearby) or smaller events. Plus, the type of explosives used (reportedly) don't explode buildings or create huge fires, causing immediate mass casualties.
The bombers had to know all these things, and considered them in their plotting. I was speculating about the choices they made in place and time and method. But it's hard to get into the twisted mind of a terrorist, so what the hell.
Or the bomber(s) simply weren't good enough to make better bombs...If terrorists were smart and competent, they would be very more successful.
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They were good enough; a highly visible attack resulting in deaths and maimed people. I think by terrorist standards this has to count as a success. Terrorism isn't about blowing holes in a building, it's about making people affraid to go about their regular lives. As such, a pressure cooker filled with an explosive and shrapnel is a lot scarier than a plane being flown into a big tower. The scariest is people strapping bombs to their bodies.
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I'm more inclined to agree with Loki on this one; I doubt there was some vast amount of clever thought that went into this attack. More powerful explosives would have killed more, yes, but they also would have wounded more. And Hazir? I think 9/11 was FAR more scary and traumatic than this.
Separately, one of the pics the FBI released shows one on his phone; I'm assuming the pic is timestamped. Methinks that these two individuals aren't likely to stay anonymous for long, even if they were using burner phones.
Really? How big are the chances of a repeat of 9/11? Then how big are the chances of a successful re-enactment of what transpired in Boston?
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