Offer a bounty to people who turn them in and then also prosecute the parents who helped the criminals by not reporting them to the police.Originally Posted by Loki
Offer a bounty to people who turn them in and then also prosecute the parents who helped the criminals by not reporting them to the police.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Why not? I mean, do you honestly think that an 18 year old sleeping with a 13 year old will be a common occurance?If every case is different, on what grounds could we possibly arrest an 18-year-old for sleeping with someone substantially younger?Are you going to force each case to require the prosecution to prove manipulation?
When I was in 12th grade in school (age: 18) I did not even notice those young girls in the 7th grade. I was much more interested in 10th grade and up. As were the other youths my age.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The requirement would apply to a host of different age combinations. Be common in the aggregate. It wouldn't be an insurmountable problem
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Does a behavior have to be common for it to be a crime? And I don't think you realize how impossible prosecutions would be under your criteria...The law is arbitrary for a reason.
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I would agree there (though I think the law is a bit strict there, and am not alone in it considering this would be legal in a lot of US states), except she isn't charged with statutory rape (which you could reasonably expect), but two felony counts of sexual battery, which is not something I'd expect if I'd be having consensual sex with a less-than-three-years-younger lover.If every case is different, on what grounds could we possibly arrest an 18-year-old for sleeping with someone substantially younger?
Maybe she shouldn't break a pretty clear law...The fact of the matter is that she wouldn't be in trouble if she didn't sleep with a 15-year-old.
As a side note, absent of manipulation/coercion/etc it seems rather excessive to have felony charges for this type of offense, considering the consequences of being a convicted felon in the US. And don't get me started on the sex offender registry.. I guess it's clear how useful that is considering more than 2% of the population is on it, surely they are all dangerous rapists. Look at the Texas link Khen posted for insane consequences of a statutory rape conviction. You can't honestly say that's proportionate to the offense.
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I don't disagree that the sex offender registry loses all value when it includes cases like the one here.
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You don't disagree that she wouldn't have expected sexual battery charges, or that felony charges and their consequences are excessive in these cases in general?
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Sexual battery in Florida means unlawful sex. The sex was unlawful (i.e. one of the people was underage and thus couldn't consent). Seems like a pretty clear case to me. I was objecting to the notion that anyone who commits a crime that's related to sex should be on the sex offenders register. I'm actually curious why statutory rape charges weren't brought up in this case. It's possible to charge someone with both statutory rape and sexual battery in such a case.
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Yes, your pretty "reasons". Blindly follow the law, don't think, be a good slave.
Is that about enough "reason"?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Flixy I think your math is wrong. I believe it's 0.2%
Yes, you are correct, thanks for pointing it out. So Loki, you're not concerned that for a relatively minor offense, she could lose her voting rights, ability to get a professional or business license, own a gun, serve on a jury, etc, for some time? I think that would be excessive.
It's even better to have each such trial begin and end with a character assassination of the victim, since that would be by far the best way that manipulation didn't take place.
A) I don't think it's a relatively minor offense.
B) I don't think people who commit any felony should lose those rights (other than owning a gun).
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as the local paper put it: not outlawing fraternizing between students who attend the same high school, play on the same sports teams, and belong to the same social circles would be a good place to start.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
And if the same school has grades 6 through 12? Or the same social circle includes 12 and 18 year olds?
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6-12 wouldn't be considered a high school
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I'd like you to argue before a judge on the merit of a "same social group" requirement. You people can try thinking of legal criteria that actually make legal sense, not that would make sense if you were God and knew every possible detail about each case.
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you kind of ignored it, so do you agree or disagree with the same high school and club criteria? seems rather ass backwards to put teenagers together so often and for extended periods and not expect something to happen. seems like something rather easy for the person making the decision to prosecute to measure as well, much less a judge.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Loki is the kind of guy who would have fit right in in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. It's all there in his behaviour: Blind obedience to the letter of the law, no compassion at all and lifelong sentences for anything he doesn't agree with.
I mean, seriously: You can kill a guy in your country (manslaughter), you serve your time - and then your life may be fucked up, but you're out of prison. And you don't have to register anywhere.
Obviously, a harmless relationship between teenagers (yes, eightteen is still teenager) warrants branding them with the scarlet letter for all their life.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Are you suggesting that there is no room in the US legal system for concepts such as "reasonable"?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Obviously there isn't. And, in contrast to Loki's statement that my suggestion would be impossible, it actually is implemented as such in Germany. Yes, we do have "cut-off" ages. But it's not always an automatic sentence.
Our § 182 StGB states, for example, that sexual relations between someone over 21 and someone under 16 are only punishable under the law if the older person "exploits the victim's inability for sexual self-determination". As a consequence, it's a matter for the court to decide whether such an inability existed or not.
The actual cut-off age over here is 14, by the way. Below that age you're considered a "child" in the eye of the law (and as such, subject to quite a lot of restrictions besides sexual relations).
And not an automatic sentence.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I'm fairly sure there is, even if it isn't regularly applied to statutory rape.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Seems like a great recipe for discouraging reporting.
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Perhaps why it's such a popular approach to sexual shenanigans among adultsSeems like a great recipe for discouraging reporting.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yes, because throwing them in jail for perfectly normal teenage behaviour is such a better idea.Seems like a great recipe for discouraging reporting.
Then again, there has to be a reason why the US have more people in prison than any other country.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...e-and-on-earth
Protein sources could be anything form all-American corn to all-African insects to all-Asian algae — and that’s the point.
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http://news.yahoo.com/fired-word-neg...135016980.htmlTake the case of Petrona Smith. She says in a lawsuit that she was fired from teaching at Bronx PS 211 in March 2012 after a seventh-grader reported that she'd used the "N" word, according to The New York Post.
'Negro.'
Smith doesn't deny using the word. But she argues that everyone uses it, when speaking Spanish. She was teaching the Spanish words for different colors, and the color "black" in Spanish is "negro."
Ignoring the obvious stupidity, "negro" in Spanish isn't pronounced the same way as it is in English. Furthermore, negro isn't the N-word...
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...180634194.htmlA new study from researchers in Europe claims that the average IQ in Western nations dropped by a staggering 14.1 points over the past century...
There's a link to the actual study inside.
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The internal link says the kid's parents say he lied during the investigation. Too bad for her she's non-tenured, or didn't have a union rep, huh.
She denied calling the student a “Negro,” and explained to investigators that she was teaching a lesson about how to say different colors in Spanish and said the word “negro,” which is Spanish for the color black. She told her students that it was not a derogatory term and that the Spanish word for a black person was “moreno.”
It's a public school; she had a union rep.
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WTF, indeed.
Then they go on to correlate birth rate with intelligence, comparing the Victorian era to modern times? And"Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence and are considered elementary measures of cognition."
Maybe they forgot to factor in all the children who died before reproductive age, while working in coal mines or lumber factories or as chimney sweeps, or from malnutrition, infectious diseases, or diarrheaThe study had other positive observations about the Victorian era, noting that economic efficiency began to flourish during the period and that the “height of the per capita numbers of significant innovations in science and technology, and also the per capita numbers of scientific geniuses,” occurred during that time, followed by a steady decline.Lets not forget the Victorian Era viewed children as "little adults". And it was before medical science discovered the importance of clean water and hand-washing (even during surgeries), let alone antibiotics or vaccinations.
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