Because they work. Don't have figures to hand but I believe most security cameras are privately owned not publicly. The Police can then ask permission to review the coverage but I'd never run a business nowadays with any security details without them. CCTV has come in handy far too many times and stopped/caught a surprising amount of theft.Originally Posted by GGT
I used to have philosophical 1984-style concerns but frankly CCTV works.
That didn't answer my question about public consent or government oversight.
I thought they did some research into that a while back and found that it didn't have that much effect?
GGT, if most are privately owned, you don't need government oversight.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
no supporting evidence for stopping crime, and the best research they have for catching crime is the recent riots, so its a little bit lopsided.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I'd like to see such evidence.
Given that officially crime rates have collapsed I find that hard to believe.
I have more confidence in CCTV for catching stupid criminals than in our revolving door justice system "rehabilitating" them.
Crime rates have collapsed practically anywhere.
I'd like to see your evidence too, since you made the claim in the first place, but sure, here you go, from your own government:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?ID=232616
And the system that did show a decrease is in car parks, which could also lead to simply moving the problem. Or, in the words of the guy who did the research:Of the 13 systems evaluated, 6 showed a relatively substantial reduction in crime in the target area compared with the control area, but only 2 showed a statistically significant reduction compared to the control area; and in 1 of these cases, the change could be explained by the presence of confounding variables.
Prof Martin Gill, who led the CCTV Initiative study, said: "For camera supporters these findings are disappointing. For the most part CCTV did not produce reductions in crime and it did not make people feel safer."
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Sure we do....to watch the watchmen! Data collected privately (like CCTV records) can be seized by police with or without a warrant, and used in prosecuting unrelated crimes found on them. It's the same with 'private' companies like Google or Verizon or ISPs etc. collecting data, then turning it over to NSA or other agencies, or allowing them to sort of piggy-back behind the scene for their meta-data collection.
Yeah, I think it matters when we "Agree" to let private companies collect our information, and even sell it to third parties....when it ends up in unknown or secret databases, including government ones the public is surprised to learn about.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ved-ones.shtml
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...ove-interests/
LOVEINT: when the NSA abuses its powers to spy on people for personal reasons. It happens so often they created a term for it
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
OTOH, "a handful of times in the last decade" does not strike me as often. Now that may be a not particularly accurate depiction, or it may be the creation of the term LOVEINT has less to do with how often it has happened and more to do with someone being a smartass.http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ved-ones.shtml
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/0...ove-interests/
LOVEINT: when the NSA abuses its powers to spy on people for personal reasons. It happens so often they created a term for it
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Well, they might fit on just fine here.
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Well said
Does anyone doubt that Cain was involved?
Hope is the denial of reality
He would have just sold the data in exchange for cash and hookers.
It is - all. Even the CIA Chief. When the Feds needed, they just pick up an email from their data storage: Remember Petraeus?PRISM -- NSA Monitoring Web Services We All Use?
747. Petraeus case is an extortion (11/27/2012)
On Nov. 10, CIA ChiefPetraeus resigned from his post because the FBI had found his affairs inBroadwell’s email. On Nov. 20, we havesuch a news:
Obviously, the FBI activatesits accessories in Senate to change the law to justify its action on the CIAChief. The cause they applied on Petraeus case is weak, fragile andunreasonable.Senate bill rewrite lets feds read youre-mail without warrants
by Declan McCullagh
| November 20, 2012
A Senate proposal touted asprotecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, givinggovernment agencies more surveillance power than they possess under currentlaw.
CNET has learned thatPatrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciarycommittee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to lawenforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantlessaccess to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...news&tag=title
What made the FBI crossing the path to create ascandal? There must be a reason. I think it was a potential extortion case. TheFBI tried to blackmail CIA Chief Petraeus with the affair scandal but failed.Then we saw such a stage showIn unusual CIA case, FBI detoured from usualpath
By RICHARD LARDNER |Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — The waythe FBI responded to Jill Kelley's complaint about receiving harassing emails,which ultimately unraveled or scarred the careers of ex-CIA Director DavidPetraeus and Marine Gen. John Allen, is the exception, not the rule.
The FBI commonly declines topursue cyberstalking cases without compelling evidence of serious or imminentharm to an individual, victims of online harassment, advocacy groups andcomputer crime experts told The Associated Press.
Instead, the FBI consideredthis from the earliest stages to be an exceptional case, and one so sensitivethat FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General Eric Holder were keptnotified of its progress.
Civil liberties groups havecriticized the FBI for pursuing the investigation of the emails to Kelleybecause there is no indication the messages contained any threatening languageor classified information. The episode underscores the need to strengthen thelegal protections for electronic communications, according to the AmericanCivil Liberties Union.
http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch
What happens when the FBI demands the SSL keys to all the protected web traffic to your site?
You type it out in 4 point font. (page 145).
This also means that (at best), not a single US business that uses SSL is secure.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
The decision is much more "anti-tech" than anything Dread has come up with yet.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
I'm not convinced that Dread believes any of this is real.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Didn't you watch the first South Park episode this season?
Hope is the denial of reality
No, enlighten us.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
Hope is the denial of reality
They have a wiki page for each episode.
"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
They collect every bit they could get. The data is so huge that its center melting down.NSA Data Center May Be Melting Down From Spying Too Much
The Wall Street Journal is reporting this morningthat their spy center in Utah has suffered 10 meltdowns in the past 13 monthsfrom electrical surges. The report claims that they are using so much power intheir domestic spying efforts that their data centers are getting killed.Thousands of dollars in equipment have been destroyed.
Arc fault failures, basically a flash oflightning, are causing fiery explosions, melting servers and destroyingcircuits in the center. The NSA spends $1 million a month and uses enough powerto light a city of 20,000 people. Utah is the largest of several NSA datacenters, another facility in Fort Meade, Md., cost taxpayers around $900million.
The NSA collects data on every American,including phone calls, emails and text messages. It also stores metadata, whichis a record of everything people search for and their browser history.
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussi...340;title=APFN
size ≠ heating, design, and electrical issues
stop being a dumbass kat
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Read that news again, please. You have understanding problem. 'The NSA spends $1 million a month and uses enough powerto light a city of 20,000 people." and you say it's not a large scale(big size)?
N.S.A. Gathers Data on Social Connections of U.S. Citizens
By JAMES RISEN and LAURA POITRAS
Published: September 28, 2013
WASHINGTON — Since 2010, the National SecurityAgency has been exploiting its huge collections of data to create sophisticatedgraphs of some Americans’ social connections that can identify their associates,their locations at certain times, their traveling companions and other personalinformation, according to newly disclosed documents and interviews withofficials.
The spy agency began allowing the analysis ofphone call and e-mail logs in November 2010 to examine Americans’ networks ofassociations for foreign intelligence purposes after N.S.A. officials liftedrestrictions on the practice, according to documents provided by Edward J.Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us...anted=all&_r=0
What size is this?
Report: NSA Spied on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month
Tallies of top-secret documents show widespreaddata collection
BY: Adam Kredo
October 23, 2013 3:10 pm
The National Security Agency recorded informationabout more than 124 billion phone calls during a 30-day period earlier thisyear, including around 3 billion calls from U.S. sources, according to a tallyfrom top-secret documents released by multiple news outlets.
http://freebeacon.com/report-nsa-spi...-in-one-month/
Newest documents show the NSA was snooping on communications through gaming networks like Xbox Live, Second Life and World of Warcraft.
This is going to make all the Kinect conspiracies that much more ridiculous
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
First major piece since the propaganda ban expired in July?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-spea...nowden-spying/
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
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