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  1. #3421
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    Yeah I was talking about primary school. By the end of high school we has an arrangement with most of the teachers that as long as you kept up with homework, got good grades, you didn't have to show up for every class.
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  2. #3422
    Who said anything about missing exams? How many do you give her semester? The norm here is 3 or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Who said anything about missing exams? How many do you give her semester? The norm here is 3 or so.
    You do realize that I'm not the only teacher? Again, please DO NOT compare it to your College level experience. Just don't. Seriously, you haven't even got the faintest of clues here, Loki.

    It's already annoying when pupils are missing due to illness or other circumstances. There's absolutely no need to add on top of that.

    By the way: That redundancy you were speaking of? There's a reason we have that. And it's not meant for missing pupils.
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  4. #3424
    Wow maybe you guys have too many tests
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  5. #3425
    My youngest and oldest both have specialized teachers for individual subjects, so 2-3 tests a week spread across 5-7 subjects isn't uncommon. Thats just subject matter, the NCLBA adds a whole extra level of testing.
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  6. #3426
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    You do realize that I'm not the only teacher? Again, please DO NOT compare it to your College level experience. Just don't. Seriously, you haven't even got the faintest of clues here, Loki.

    It's already annoying when pupils are missing due to illness or other circumstances. There's absolutely no need to add on top of that.

    By the way: That redundancy you were speaking of? There's a reason we have that. And it's not meant for missing pupils.
    Your job is to worry about your exams. Other teachers should worry about theirs. Furthermore, exams in all classes tend to overlap with one another. I'd say I had no exams during 2/3 of the school weeks.

    The fact remains that the redundancy does exist, which means it's not the end of the world if someone misses a few classes. And you can't see the forest for the trees. Someone can learn far more during a vacation than they can in a week of classes. It's a matter of marginal returns. School is non-stop. Vacations are rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    My youngest and oldest both have specialized teachers for individual subjects, so 2-3 tests a week spread across 5-7 subjects isn't uncommon. Thats just subject matter, the NCLBA adds a whole extra level of testing.
    When you have that many exams, don't they effectively become quizzes?
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  7. #3427
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  8. #3428
    Even in weeks without tests there are usually multiple quizzes through multiple subjects.

    I am actually pretty curious about how the test/quiz schedule goes next school year; the high school has switched to block scheduling.
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  9. #3429
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    When you have that many exams, don't they effectively become quizzes?
    It comes out to about 1 test every other week (per class). For Brent's STEM track the grades were something like 25% for tests/homework/projects/quarterly exams. The tests used questions that would appear on the finals. This way the students could pass, and remain in the program, if they weren't strong in a certain area; but its still nothing to laugh at and falling behind in one area made the others more difficult, compounded by the fact that you would need to ace those to break even on a grade.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  10. #3430
    So what you're saying is that I should send any future kids to private school? Has someone realized that time spent taking a test is time not spent learning?
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  11. #3431
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    So what you're saying is that I should send any future kids to private school?
    My youngest attends private, the thousand dollar a month Jewish school. Her last report card was 6 pages long listing individual skills she has been tested one and her mastery of them.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  12. #3432
    There's testing and then there's TESTING. I have no problem with 5 minute quizzes every few days to see where every individual student is struggling. But having that many period-long exams that significantly contribute towards the final exam just seems like a recipe towards non-stop stress and lack of actual learning.
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  13. #3433
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/us/flo...-qb-suspended/

    Am I missing something here or was not the entire confrontation started by the woman, including her throwing the first punch to the face?
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  14. #3434
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    So what you're saying is that I should send any future kids to private school? Has someone realized that time spent taking a test is time not spent learning?
    You're forgetting that the NCLB provisions still mean that the goal is test scores - and the best way to practice for standardized tests is to give many tests that look like standardized tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/us/flo...-qb-suspended/

    Am I missing something here or was not the entire confrontation started by the woman, including her throwing the first punch to the face?
    Nice boys don't hit girls. Not saying I think she was right at all, but he should have walked away.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

  15. #3435
    Quote Originally Posted by littlelolligagged View Post
    You're forgetting that the NCLB provisions still mean that the goal is test scores - and the best way to practice for standardized tests is to give many tests that look like standardized tests.
    At some point, being good at taking tests doesn't make up for not knowing all the necessary material.

    Nice boys don't hit girls. Not saying I think she was right at all, but he should have walked away.
    Most people don't have the restraint to not return a punch to the face, regardless of who that punch is coming from. The guy here is being punished entirely due to his gender.
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  16. #3436
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    At some point, being good at taking tests doesn't make up for not knowing all the necessary material.
    Oh, I think it is terrible for education, and that the rote memorization means nothing. It's still what happens in schools now.

    Most people don't have the restraint to not return a punch to the face, regardless of who that punch is coming from. The guy here is being punished entirely due to his gender.
    I don't know, if it is possible to walk away and you don't actually need to defend yourself it is the correct choice, regardless of gender. I think most bar brawls lead to all parties being charged, regardless of who started it.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

  17. #3437
    The woman provoked the confrontation and initiated the violence. Only the male has faced any consequences, including being kicked off his football team and being charged with battery. By what warped definition of the term does battery mean returning a blow?
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  18. #3438
    Not because he's a man, rather because he's a football player who hit a woman and because of this: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ugly-tr...507-ncaaf.html

    Not sure if the underaged drinking may have been factored into the decision to drop him from the team.
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    The new revelation about Bill Cosby; now, I am not an expert but wasn't Qualuude the sex-drug of choice in the 70s? A pill that people would take whenever where-ever they could lay their hands on them in order to get high? Isn't it extremely sloppy journalism to imply that Cosby illegally providing 'Ludes' to women automatically is the same as Cosby drugging women in order to abuse them when they are unconsious?
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  20. #3440
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Not because he's a man, rather because he's a football player who hit a woman and because of this: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ugly-tr...507-ncaaf.html

    Not sure if the underaged drinking may have been factored into the decision to drop him from the team.
    And? Does one lose one's right to self-defense because one happens to be a football player? Perhaps people shouldn't pick fights with people stronger than them just to play the victim afterwards? And this case is nothing like the Winston one.

    Depends if the coach wants to drop the entire team.
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  21. #3441
    From the video in your link, he was trying to push her out of the way of the bar. She does raise her hand, but he grabs her before she turns that into a swing (its a likely drunk chick in a bar, no telling whats going through her head). You don't grab a woman you've already made contact with. She swung at him after he decided to grab her. If he had let her swing first it would be a different story. He should have backed up as soon as she put her fist up and found some other person to push around.

    Plus there is the whole thing of "with great power comes great responsibility" he had her greatly outclassed and chose his actions poorly. Leaving the scene didn't help either, cops hate doing extra work.


    Fun tidbit, (outdoor) bar fights like this have gone down in the past year involving guns, and both parties were able to claim the Stand Your Ground defense. My state is so awesome.
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 07-07-2015 at 04:46 PM.
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  22. #3442
    He tries to get to the bar. She moves her behind to block him. Asshole move. He tries to squeeze through. These are all pretty normal behaviors at a crowded bar. She then raises her arm in a threatening gesture. He grabs her. She tries to knee him in the groin. Then she tries to punch him in the face. He punches her in the face. What exactly did he do wrong? As the guy is a not a professional boxer or MME fighter, his fists are not considered weapons. And just because the woman is much weaker than him doesn't somehow negate his ability to defend himself.
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  23. #3443
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He tries to get to the bar. She moves her behind to block him. Asshole move. He tries to squeeze through. These are all pretty normal behaviors at a crowded bar. She then raises her arm in a threatening gesture. He grabs her. She tries to knee him in the groin. Then she tries to punch him in the face. He punches her in the face. What exactly did he do wrong? As the guy is a not a professional boxer or MME fighter, his fists are not considered weapons. And just because the woman is much weaker than him doesn't somehow negate his ability to defend himself.
    At the bold point, he took a verbal situation and instead of removing himself from it, escalated it into a physical situation. No, he isn't a boxer, but he is was a quarterback and some personal responsibility concerning his strength should have come into play. Why should her being the weaker one make it ok to be pushed around?


    Your link and included footage doesn't show her purposely getting in his way, so where is that coming from? Not that being an asshole is reason enough for what happened.
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  24. #3444
    Are you serious? The second someone raises their hand to punch you, you have the right to respond. She's lucky she didn't get decked at that point.

    She's moving her leg and behind to keep the guy from moving in and then says what doesn't look like friendly words in his face. This shows she started the confrontation. By threatening violence, she's also the one who escalated. The guy didn't escalate at all. He simply retaliated.
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  25. #3445
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    She's moving her leg and behind to keep the guy from moving in and then says what doesn't look like friendly words in his face. This shows she started the confrontation. By threatening violence, she's also the one who escalated. The guy didn't escalate at all. He simply retaliated.
    Again, the video in your cnn link doesn't show this. The host stats this guy was trying to push his way to the bar and the video starts (:16) with her fist already raised. We also can't see his expression to see what words he is trading back. Her arm was up for about 2 seconds, so thats either the worlds slowest prep to punch ever, or a defensive measure as the article states.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  26. #3446
    Right. Because when you're in that situation, you're going to be thinking, "what does it mean that her arm has been raised for 2 seconds and she hasn't punched me yet. Should I wait an extra 5 seconds before protecting myself?" Grabbing her arm was a reasonable move on the guy's behalf. If anything, it was an attempt to prevent escalation.
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  27. #3447
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Right. Because when you're in that situation, you're going to be thinking, "what does it mean that her arm has been raised for 2 seconds and she hasn't punched me yet. Should I wait an extra 5 seconds before protecting myself?" Grabbing her arm was a reasonable move on the guy's behalf. If anything, it was an attempt to prevent escalation.
    A reasonable move would have been to back the fuck up. By latching on he committed himself to a situation he injected himself into.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  28. #3448
    "Injecting yourself into a situation" isn't a crime, last I checked. Threatening to punch someone is.
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  29. #3449
    I do wish people would start to recognize the difference between distant, detached, ponderous analysis with full retroactive information, and immediate, heat-of-the-moment flash decision making with only partial information. You cannot hold the latter to the standards of the former.

    edit: If you're trying to judge the actions here, you should probably try to get a source on what was said between them, since that could change where the blame falls and I didn't see anything about that.
    Last edited by Wraith; 07-07-2015 at 07:04 PM.

  30. #3450
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    "Injecting yourself into a situation" isn't a crime, last I checked.
    No its not a crime, but the police do put a more critical eye on you when a situation you create spirals out of control and a possible crime is committed, especially when you had the opportunity to walk away and defuse everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Threatening to punch someone is.
    Again, the video starts with her arm already up, we don't know why. We don't know what his expression is, what was said, or how forcefully he was trying to push up to the bar that causes her to react in this manner. All we have is that the move is recorded as a defensive measure.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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