Just because you're thick doesn't make words mean something different. You've got a hard on for trying to make me out to be something sinister so leapt backwards for the obviously wrong meaning.
If you don't understand expressions I'm not at fault for your ignorance.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Let it go Khen, even RB can be righttwiceonce a day.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
He's yet to show that he is. As such, his opinions are even worth less than those of a broken clock.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Pete_Spen...98338787475456
Now I see where Rand gets it from.
Hope is the denial of reality
That's pathetic logic he is using there. The purpose of Brexit is to take control and implement good policies that suit us. Of course bad policies that could hurt us could be implemented too. Doesn't mean that control is a bad thing per se.
Comparing it to voting Trump and wanting open immigration is ludicrous, that's not comparable at all. What would be comparable is believing the US President should have powers even if a bad President could misuse them so you want a good President to have them and to use them smartly. Trump is an individual not a constitutional settlement. Brexit is a constitutional issue not about an individual PM.
Except you have absolutely no way of knowing that the next government will both pursue and obtain those free trade agreements.
Hope is the denial of reality
It should be noted that the "Britain Alone" model most favored by EfB (Brexit, unilateral abolishment of tariffs, NO trade deals) has not only been heavily criticised for its assumptions and modelling (http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit06.pdf, http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpo...ws-of-gravity/, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/3/1b8f52ba-1...86a18e39d.html) but is also not what seems to be the most likely or desired or politically viable course. In light of that it doesn't really matter all that much what they said at their press-conference but I'm glad that their contribution allowed someone to say this:
He ends up comparing apples with a bunch of Boris Johnson shaped bananas across countries.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Never said we know that. Said that we can do that now. We could not before.Except you have absolutely no way of knowing that the next government will both pursue and obtain those free trade agreements.
We are a democracy. It is the electorates responsibility to elect good governments not bad ones.
True and I believe the electorate will eagerly vote into power a govt. that promises to pursue a strategy that, even according to its originator and most ardent supporter, will see them lose their jobs.
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm fairly sure they will do it... again
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Unless you believe that there's a very good chance of such a government being elected, then you're logic is dumber than I even imagined.
Edit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ntments---as-b This is hilarious.
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Hope is the denial of reality
Johnson as the foreign minister. Seriously now?
Is there something like a negative IQ? You know, making everyone in the room dumber just for being around them? Because May seems to be a prime candidate for such a classification.
There go your trade deals with foreign countries, Rand.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Hey now don't rule him out, he does have a knack for lying and an impressive track record when it comes to persuading idiots
Wonder if this was the price of stepping aside.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
How did Johnson do as mayor of London?
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
This is rapidly changing from am episode of game of thrones or house of cards into the fast show
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
"Me? Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson? As foreign secretary? With my reputation? What were they thinking?"
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
He got away with it. People who voted or answered surveys seem to have not hated him. No-one knows if he actually did anything good.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Could be she handed him just enough rope to hang himself.
Congratulations America
Do I honestly believe there's a very good chance of a pro-free trade government being elected?
Well we have one now. Our new Foreign Secretary banged on about acquiring free trade deals as being a primary reason for leaving the EU. Remember, I quoted that to you about a dozen pages ago. Besides we've had one for decades, we've always been pro-free trade. It was our reason for being in the EU and we've always tried to push that sclerotic, protectionist organisation much faster in the free trade direction than it was willing to go.
Why? Because we have a socially liberal, cosmopolitan, friendly but serious when needing to be foreign secretary? Plays into his strengths nicely.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-secretary-is/
Did a good job. Said to have delegated a lot.
His legacy in London is very good.
This guy is supposed to be a diplomat, Rand. Judging from what comes out of his mouth on a regular basis, you might as well have put Prince Philip in the slot.
May recognized that fact herself (thus raising her IQ to slightly above room temperature) because putting that guy in charge of the negotiations with the EU would have been an unmitigated disaster for you, thus creating an extra ministry for the EU talks.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
That's nice but the strategy put forth by EfB is to not negotiate any trade agreements and instead just unilaterally abolish tariffs. Their own models predict that this basically destroy at least the manufacturing sector. I feel like even the most pro-free-trade Tory govt. would think twice before going down that route.
Somehow I believe that may no longer be the caseHis legacy in London is very good.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
He can be a smooth talker when he wants to be. He twice convinced a Labour city to elect him Mayor and was instrumental in convincing the nation to vote Leave. He can play the buffoon but he knows what he's doing.
He's also probably the one Leaver who could be counted on to both back an EEA agreement if that's what she wants to go for, and one Foreign Secretary who could sell it to the nation once agreed. Think a few steps ahead like a chess player, it's a clever move.
Who said we'll go down the EfB route?? Not me. Nor did Loki since he asked about a "government [that] will both both pursue and obtain those free trade agreements" so we weren't talking about a government that does not pursue free trade agreements.
Sadiq can't have done that much damage yet surely?Somehow I believe that may no longer be the case
The tweets that set off this latest tangent was about the EfB's proposals.
Nah he's just busy cleaning up after BoJo, I was talking about the whole taking-London-out-of-the-EU thingSadiq can't have done that much damage yet surely?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Indeed but the principle that I responded to was not. We haven't voted for the EfB proposals, or any other set of proposals to be the be all and end all. We've voted to take control, now we need to ensure the government does the right thing by that. It could use its powers well or badly, but with great power comes great responsibility.
Not a part of the Mayor's powers or responsibilities.Nah he's just busy cleaning up after BoJo, I was talking about the whole taking-London-out-of-the-EU thing
A percentage that has the possibility of changing. Though there's no reason why benefits one company reaps can't pass through to others that don't export. If an exporting company grows then it can purchase goods and services from local businesses (which may be able to grow to the point of being able to export themselves). The economy is interconnected my business is and will always be a net importer but a lot of my customers work for one of the nations major manufacturing exporters. That company doing well is key to my own success or failure and weighed on my mind when I cast my vote.
As I've said all along I hope for a free trade deal between us. But the potential from Brexit lies not in Europe but beyond. The EU's free trade deal with Canada took a blow only today. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we get a trade deal in place before the EU does as the EU's similarity to a pantomime horse with 28 people pulling in opposite directions is making deals fail to be implemented. Bilateral deals will be more plausible.You currently have access to the single market. If you lose or risk losing access to that market in the future, that will have a negative impact on your exports.
When the pound collapsed following ERM it saw a dramatic improvement in our trade leading ultimately to some trade surpluses until 1997 when something else happened to the economy and we haven't seen one since.British exports tend to be high value and relatively insensitive to minor price-changes brought on by changes in currency value. The last time the pound experienced a significant drop, there was no major positive impact on export volume. This may be different in the case of a more sustained pressure on the pound but in that case the boost in exports will be countered by barriers to trade in the form of tariffs, restrictions, paperwork etc as well as be sensitive to negative changes in the global economy.
To eradicate the trade deficit would require a huge increase in exports (or decrease in imports) but even if there's a slight increase in exports and decrease in imports bringing the deficit down to a more sustainable level that will still be a good change.While an increase in trade brought about by the lower value of the pound can perhaps help reduce your current account deficit, that increase in trade will have to be pretty huge--which is unlikely--and also sustained--which is uncertain. Exporters may perhaps see their profit margins grow for a short while, and consumer-driven imports may decline, but that's not necessarily good for your country.
Indeed we need to try and avoid damage to finance and seek new opportunities elsewhere here too.You can manage your current account deficit partly thanks to your financial account surplus. If that surplus were to be reduced--not an unlikely consequence of the threat of Brexit--the consequences may not be offset quickly or completely enough by any increase in exports you might see from your falling currency. Ordinary people and small-to-medium businesses would feel the pain most keenly.
I would suggest a better analogy is getting an overweight patient who eats too much red meat to get a new exercise regime and a more balanced diet. There may be some pain especially in the short term and it may leave a bitter taste at times but it's best long term and should end up healthier.The one major positive outcome we might expect or hope for is for your economy to become more balanced and less reliant on financial services. But that's kinda like saying that one positive effect of becoming severely ill or being locked up in a north-korean prison-camp is that you might lose some body-fat.
Agreed but since it seems almost everyone else here is entirely negative (including my compatriots) I feel I'm waging a one man war for some optimism.Mate, it's good to have a positive outlook, but optimism and positivity should be tempered by at least a small dose of realism.
FYI : in 1992 the BoE could drastically cut interest rates after you dropped out of the ERM What's the scope for interest rates right now?
Congratulations America
Quantitative Easing.
Realistically government bonds owed to the BoE under QE are never going to get repaid (no interest is paid either) so one side effect of QE is that while our government debt to GDP ratio is de jure about 90% de facto it is really 67%.
I realize that post was made in July.....but since then Farage has stumped for Trump, making claims that voting for Trump would be like voting for Brexit -- where the US can "take back control of its sovereign powers". It's a confusing analogy, for sure, because the Fear Factor is different in our respective countries, but it's still a real variable used for political purposes.
When California put same sex marriage prohibition up for a referendum vote, almost everyone here was shocked when it was passed (and Prop 8 became known as PropHate). It was eventually overturned as discriminatory/unconstitutional, but the question remained about which things should be voted on directly (via referendums).....and which things should be assumed by our legal scholars and elected reps.
I can't think of a US equivalent to Brexit, other than some state (like Texas?) voting to secede from the Union.
I hate Farage. He represents what I can't stand and was excluded from Vote Leave as he is a reprehensible bigot.
But he's supporting a Trump presidency.
It isn't possible to be a vile reprehensible bigot and support Trump in your eyes?
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