There were 3 people in the car, all of them have a stronger grip on themselves than the officer did, and one of them was 4.
but holy fucking victim blaming. sudden movements? wtf. you will spin anything to make yourself feel superior and in the right.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Ach, fuck that noise. That scumbag should never have been given a badge and a gun to begin with. The fuckwit clearly panicked. Did you even watch the video?Originally Posted by RandBlade
"Sudden movement" my ass.
The only person guilty here is the scumbag cop. Because he created the situation where a "twitch" meant someone died.
You really are a Grade A asshole, Rand. Then again, you've already shown that repeatedly. I rate you about one inch above Dread in the "Scum of the earth" department.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I never said the victim was to blame, what part of "you shouldn't be shot" implies I think the victim was to blame. But since you can't see more than one side to this story then fine, the cops fear was irrational, there is no reason to be afraid, nobody with a gun would ever try and kill a cop, it just doesn't happen in the good old US of A.
"Mom, please stop cussing and screaming 'cause I don't want you to get shooted,"
No.
Well, then keep talking out of your ass about something you haven't watched. Asshole.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
1: He didn't create the situation. He pulled the trigger but the situation already existed. The cop killers created the situation.
2: He put his hands in his pocket, he didn't "twitch" with his hands on the steering wheel.
The videos not available, I said that. I've responded based on the text posted here and in the links.
which link described Castile's actions as "sudden movements" like you claimed earlier?
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
The police officer asked him for his license and proof of insurance. He gave the police officer his proof of insurance and he was likely going for his license, which most of us keep in our wallets.
In short, Castile was doing absolutely nothing wrong; he went above and beyond his duty as an armed citizen to inform the police officer of his concealed weapon, and then complied with the police officers request to show identification. And for this he was killed. Any police officer that lacks the most basic levels of self-discipline, and is ready and willing to shoot an individual complying with his requests while posing no threat, with a four year old in the car no less, not only doesn't deserve a badge and gun, he doesn't deserve his freedom.
You're thinking that "the situation" refers to a police officer talking to some guy in a car when in reality "the situation" refers to a police officer losing control, freaking out and shooting an innocent man.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I'm suggesting there are factors behind why the officer freaked out.
He told the cop he had a gun, he was told not to reach for it, he replies that he's *inaudible* reaching ... At that point ideally he could have told the cop he had a gun and then held his hands still rather than reach into his pocket. He shouldn't have been shot for reaching into his pocket though.So this was all done in seven seconds. Seven seconds elapsed between Castile saying he has a gun, the officer putting his hands on his own holster after being told that, then the suspect reaching for something while the officer repeatedly shouts "don't reach for it" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out!" and fires all of the fatal bullets. The final bullet being fired during that seven second window. Not minutes of deliberation but a snap action within seven seconds.9:05:52-9:05:55 — Castile tells Yanez: "Sir, I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me." Castile interrupts to say "OK" and places right hand on holstered gun.
9:05:55-9:06:02 — Yanez says, "OK, don't reach for it, then." Castile says, "I'm ... I'm ... (inaudible) reaching ... Yanez interrupts to say, "Don't pull it out." Castile says: "I'm not pulling it out." His girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, says, "He's not pulling it out." Yanez shouts: "Don't pull it out!" Yanez draws his gun with right hand while reaching inside driver's window with left. Yanez removes left arm from car, fires seven shots, the last at 9:06:02.
I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation but I'd think if I was in the suspects position and I'd been pulled over and said that I had a gun and was told not to reach for it that I would keep my hands damn still and make no sudden movements until told to do so. Not sure why he chose to say that then start reaching for his pocket.
So... there were no sudden movements like you claimed?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Define sudden.
The transcript describes him putting his hands in his pocket after saying he has a gun and the officer telling him not to reach for his gun and then shooting him all within seven seconds.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sudd...define:+sudden
Pretty much the opposite of what happened. This should be common sense seeing how not a single article or writeup described Castile's actions as "sudden movements" and you completely pulled that claim out of your ass, as I described above, as a form of justification and victim blaming.
Or does it usually take you 7 seconds to reach into your pocket?
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
It didn't take seven seconds for him to reach into his pocket.
It took seven seconds to have him reach into his pocket, be shouted at not to, all the subsequent shouting and then all the fatal bullets to be fired. Yes that seems to have all occurred or done quickly.
Few--or perhaps even none--of which justify his actions to people who don't love trigger-happy cops.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I don't love trigger happy cops, I empathise for cops who have been shot at or seen friends shot at why they may be trigger happy.
You are claiming it is self-defense so long as the cop feels fear because others on the force may have been shot, and therefore he shouldn't be convicted of anything. I take it you're willing to grant the same rationale and defense to every black man who is stopped by a cop and shoots them first? Because if anything has been shown, it's that THEY are the ones who should be in fear of their lives in such situations, not the cops.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I'd like to see some numerical evidence for that.
You have already been shown that evidence. In any given encounter between a cop and a black man, the black guy is more likely to die.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The cop is far more likely to die than any random black man is. Though indeed innocent people have far fewer interactions with the police.
According to that well-known cop-loving fanatical right-wing Murdoch paper the Guardian, there were 6.64 blacks per million killed by the US Police in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...oung-black-men
There were 62 fatal shootings of law enforcement officers by the public from a population of 900,000 officers. That makes a total of 68.89 cops per million killed by the public in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2016/
Worth remembering that many of the shootings by the Police are undeniably justifiable shootings. The Washington Post has an interesting archive where you can read about each of the shootings and skimming through them a very large proportion seem justified. If we take out the justified shootings then the proportion would be even further different.
If you've got maths that shows anything different then please demonstrate the working out.
You should read the methodology section more closely.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Not seeing a methodology section on the link I provided and you've not provided one but here is a summary.
Versus 68.89 deaths per million cops in 2016. On a comparable per million basis there are ten cop deaths for each black death.Black
2016 6.64
2015 7.69
White
2016 2.9
2015 2.95
Hispanic/Latino
2016 3.23
2015 3.45
Asian/Pacific Islander
2016 1.17
2015 1.34
Native American
2016 10.13
2015 5.49*
*In 2015, there were fewer than 20 Native Americans killed by police. Source: The Counted
That's without even taking into account the fact that many of the deaths inflicted by cops have stories like this:
EDIT: Video here showing a kill in a very different light as it saves the hostage. But its included in these black lives matter statistics as a black man killed by cops, while I'd class it as a mother saved by cops. http://abcnews.go.com/US/dramatic-vi...ry?id=36711677Christopher Michael Dew, a 29-year-old black man armed with a gun, was shot on Jan. 29, 2016, in a store in Irving, Tex. Irving police responded to a report of a robbery in progress at a check cashing store. Dew was armed with a shotgun and holding a female employee hostage next to a vehicle.
First flaw. You're counting only black men shot by all police but you're counting all police shot by anyone. Except I'm looking at your links and I'm not finding even THAT claimed statistic in it. There are all sorts of flaws with the ways you're massaging your data besides the fact that you're leaving it completely unsourced and apparently made up, of course.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/2...9L8a01b6bu&s=1
A jury of your RandBlades.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Apologies I copied and pasted the wrong link. The WaPo link was meant to be on the next paragraph, the link for that paragraph was here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-2016-average
The cop should have allowed himself to be crushed to death by a moving vehicle instead.
Especially since we know a large number of police officers are killed by far right (white) extremists.
Your apologetics for just about every scenario in which a black man gets killed by a cop borders on racism, Rand.
Hope is the denial of reality
Incidentally you're wrong on the flaw. We're counting all people shot by all police (regardless of race) then that is getting broken down into by race do differentiate between how that affects blacks and whites shot. But the Police aren't shooting at only blacks, they're shooting at suspects. Some of those suspects are white, some are black. Most are white, a disproportionate amount are black. So the corollary of suspects shot by cops is cops shot by suspects. The fact that only some of those suspects are black is neither here nor there since the cops aren't shooting only at black suspects.
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