Should Kavanaugh be confirmed for SCOTUS?

[RandBlade]

One of the biggest scandals in recent years in this country was the case of the Rotherham child abuse ring which led to the abuse of over 1400 girls over a decade. Many of these girls reported their abuse to the authorities independently but the authorities failed to act or to believe the girls reporting the attacks and so the abuse wasn't stopped for a long time. An investigation afterwards found a lot of independent accusations from victims which hadn't been followed up on or investigated as the girls weren't believed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...r-purpose.html

[Loki]

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[Lewkowski]

And what could Ford say convince you she's telling the truth, Lewk?

Nothing. Just like if I accused you of rape there is little I could type or say that one make anyone believe me. Nor should the standard for evidence be the accuser's word. That shouldn't fly in the regular world and if the person is being nominated or running for election people should be ten times as wary about believing it. We know people kill, lie, extort and bribe to see their political beliefs carried forward, people should always be cautious when it comes to these sorts of things.

[Lewkowski]

One of the biggest scandals in recent years in this country was the case of the Rotherham child abuse ring which led to the abuse of over 1400 girls over a decade. Many of these girls reported their abuse to the authorities independently but the authorities failed to act or to believe the girls reporting the attacks and so the abuse wasn't stopped for a long time. An investigation afterwards found a lot of independent accusations from victims which hadn't been followed up on or investigated as the girls weren't believed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...r-purpose.html

"Asian gangs" what the hell kind of liberal Politically Correct yahoos you got running the telegraph?

[Lewkowski]

*Yawn*

Wasn't someone saying that if they don't say it under oath it doesn't matter. Could of sworn someone posted an article about that...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lk-to-congress

"Deborah Ramirez, a Yale University classmate of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, is refusing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee about her accusation against Kavanaugh, a GOP lawmaker said Tuesday."

[Wraith]

I'd like to point out that by that yardstick, there hardly ever is an independent accusation in cases where someone did multiple things.

That's also not what "independent accusation" actually means.

Cosby had multiple independent accusations.

Sure, sometimes people might say "independent accusation" as short hand for "accusations of independent crimes", but if you're going to use it as proof of guilt the accusations need to themselves be independent.

[Ominous Gamer]

Cosby's independent accusations did mostly sorta wait to be known until a judge ruled him a public moralist thanks to his pound cake speech. As hazir said earlier, if you're going to hold a position that is beyond reproach, you need to actually be beyond reproach. There is something about that that helps people find the voice they need to speak up.

[Aimless]

*Yawn*

Wasn't someone saying that if they don't say it under oath it doesn't matter. Could of sworn someone posted an article about that...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...lk-to-congress

"Deborah Ramirez, a Yale University classmate of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, is refusing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee about her accusation against Kavanaugh, a GOP lawmaker said Tuesday."

I'm going to give you the same advice I often give RB: please read articles in their entirety. It's the bare minimum we should be able to expect.

Ramirez lawyer John Clune tweeted Tuesday that "We have been working hard to cooperate with the Senate Judiciary Committee...and they have refused to meet all scheduled appointments." He said Ramirez wants an FBI investigation, not a congressional investigation, and is willing to "swear to the FBI under penalty of perjury."

So you were saying?

[Ominous Gamer]

It's always been about projection with lewk and the GOP scum.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...re-no-shows-on

https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/ramir...kavanaugh.html

[RandBlade]

I'm going to give you the same advice I often give RB: please read articles in their entirety. It's the bare minimum we should be able to expect.

So you were saying?

It'll be nice if you start to do the same but moving along since I agree with you in this thread and that was rather unnecessary, perjuring yourself to the FBI is a federal felony I believe so they should absolutely take her up on that offer. But of course the FBI are professional law enforcement investigators/deep state conspiracy traitors rather than partisan politicians grinding an axe/fair and balanced whiter than white politicians.

[Aimless]

Unlike you, I read the articles I refer to, and also the ones you refer to without reading. But that's a discussion for another thread.

[Aimless]

Four sworn and signed declarations that Dr. Ford has in the past on several occasions mentioned the assault in terms consistent with her more detailed allegations:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1429270002

Consistently described as assault perpetrated by someone who had gone on to become a federal judge. Given that Kavanaugh was nowhere near being a SCOTUS candidate at the time I think it's fair to dismiss out of hand the insinuations about her timing being suspicious and indicating falsity. Her story has been consistent over a very long time.

[EyeKhan]

Four sworn and signed declarations that Dr. Ford has in the past on several occasions mentioned the assault in terms consistent with her more detailed allegations:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1429270002

Consistently described as assault perpetrated by someone who had gone on to become a federal judge. Given that Kavanaugh was nowhere near being a SCOTUS candidate at the time I think it's fair to dismiss out of hand the insinuations about her timing being suspicious and indicating falsity. Her story has been consistent over a very long time.

Lewk, is this true???

[Ominous Gamer]

I'm curious why we didn't see this much bullshit from lewk against all the men that accused those priests of inappropriate behavior that happened 30 years ago.

[Aimless]

I despise Avenatti, but this is a sworn statement from his now named client, made under penalty of perjury. The Senate must give it due consideration and, more importantly, the FBI must be called to assist in the investigation.

[RandBlade]

I'm curious why we didn't see this much bullshit from lewk against all the men that accused those priests of inappropriate behavior that happened 30 years ago.

The accusers were men, men don't lie not like women.

The accused were Catholics. They're barely above liberals and not true god fearing protestant Republicans.

[Aimless]

Note that this statement is consistent with a statement from Mark Judge's ex:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...eborah-ramirez

After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.

The new allegations may have come after the New Yorker article was published but that is no reason to dismiss them.

Kavanaugh's continued insistence on lying--unnecessarily--has left him open to other damaging attacks:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...c21_story.html

It's clear, based on statements from people who knew him at Yale--and his own highschool yearbook--that his statements on Fox were grade A horseshit.



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...e-bonding.html

He gladly portrayed himself as a drunk, and made statements about a woman that can at best be described as bullying, at worst slut-shaming.

The US is full of conservative judges of good character, many of whom are not only morally but intellectually superior to Kavanaugh. The GOP's willingness to debase itself and the confirmation process in defense of this assclown speaks volumes about the party's character, moral integrity and, above all, its intelligence--already low and swiftly evaporating.

[Ominous Gamer]

I despise Avenatti

he might be an unabashed self promoter, but he has yet to be wrong or misleading. He does the homework. Dude has fucking awards named after him for such things.

[Ominous Gamer]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...orize-violence

GOP once again showing their true colors.

[Steely Glint]

GOP once again showing their true colors.

They're just getting started

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[Lewkowski]

I despise Avenatti, but this is a sworn statement from his now named client, made under penalty of perjury. The Senate must give it due consideration and, more importantly, the FBI must be called to assist in the investigation.

So let me make sure I understand correctly.

Woman goes to party.
Sees gang rapes going on.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues going to parties.
Gets gang raped.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues to go to parties.

SURRRRRRRRRRRRRRE.

Of course her father has said "I had no idea about all this" because of course being gang raped isn't at all a traumatic experience that would create a noticeable change in behavior.

Now to my knowledge Brett hasn't ever had a restraining order filed against him. Can't say the same for Swetnick.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...accuser-845348

"According to Vinneccy, Swetnick threatened him after they broke up and even after he got married to his current wife and had a child.

“Right after I broke up with her, she was threatening my family, threatening my wife and threatening to do harm to my baby at that time,” Vinneccy said in a telephone interview with POLITICO. "I know a lot about her.”

"She’s not credible at all,” he said. “Not at all.”"

Which isn't surprising as 60 classmates had no clue who this crazy person is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/u...kavenaugh.html

"On Wednesday afternoon, more than 60 classmates from Georgetown Prep and women from sister schools who say they knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school signed a letter to rebut Ms. Swetnick’s allegations and deny ever having met her. “We never witnessed any behavior that even approaches what is described in this allegation. It is reprehensible,” said the letter, which was addressed to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “Brett Kavanaugh is a good man. He has always treated women with respect and decency.”"

With the allegations being so far in the past it is unlikely she would face any danger of a perjury charge. But oh God would I fucking love it if this person went to prison.

[Loki]

Lewk, get informed. It's not that hard. You know absolutely nothing about sexual assault reporting. Stop being the worst kind of apologist.

[Lewkowski]

Lewk, get informed. It's not that hard. You know absolutely nothing about sexual assault reporting. Stop being the worst kind of apologist.

Woman goes to party.
Sees gang rapes going on.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues going to parties.
Gets gang raped.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues to go to parties.

SURRRRRRRRRRRRRRE.

[Lewkowski]

https://i.redd.it/y1pa72ep1no11.jpg

Also if she's flown a single time in the last 10 years her claim of being afraid of flying as the reason she couldn't testify on Monday is utter bull shit.

[Aimless]

I'm sorry but I don't think I can let you move on until you acknowledge that you were full of shit just a little while ago re. Ramirez's unwillingness to make her allegations under oath.

[RandBlade]

They're just getting started

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The GOP have jumped the shark.

[RandBlade]

Woman goes to party.
Sees gang rapes going on.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues going to parties.
Gets gang raped.
Does not report to police.
No one reports to police.
Continues to go to parties.

SURRRRRRRRRRRRRRE.

Yes sure. Did you only here of sexual abuse today.? This tragically happens far too often, especially to vulnerable young women, but not only women. The victim wants to be accepted by her social group but is ashamed and believes they are somehow responsible for the attack that happened to them. They suffer in silence and don't report it to anyone.

Are you seriously ignorant of the fact that the abused regularly return to their abusers?

[Ominous Gamer]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...y-dubious.html

Brett Kavanaugh is not on trial, he is applying for a job. No employer would give this guy a second thought with the sworn statements that are piling up against him. Hell, he has already been busted lying under oath, that right there should have been enough to get laughed out of consideration

[Loki]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/u...act-check.html

WTF is wrong with Erick Erickson? He's like a middle-aged Lewk.

[RandBlade]

Poor woman.

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