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Thread: Rising tensions in East Jerusalem

  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
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    What's that got to do with the price of fish?
    I think it means your waffle is done on this side.
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  2. #182
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    Last edited by BluntHorse; 08-26-2024 at 02:07 AM.

  3. #183
    Bugs are on the house
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  4. #184
    Article and thread:

    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  5. #185
    How the hell can one know precisely what is being bombed in a situation like this?

  6. #186
    Other than satellites and years of intelligence gathering?
    Hope is the denial of reality

  7. #187
    Almost certainly tracking phones.
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  8. #188
    Also, you can always just not drop bombs.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    How the hell can one know precisely what is being bombed in a situation like this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Other than satellites and years of intelligence gathering?
    I think it all depends on what we're defining as 'precisely', doesn't it? There's little doubt that Israel has achieved remarkably good tactical intelligence in Gaza; obviously still imperfect, but they have a pretty good handle on Hamas' capabilities and infrastructure through a combination of remote sensing, sigint, and humint. That being said, Hamas also has developed pretty good tradecraft (especially among their senior leadership) and has exploited asymmetric capabilities to their fullest, including extensive tunneling efforts.

    It's reasonable to assume that Israel did have reasonably precise intelligence that an important Hamas underground facility/piece of infrastructure was present under those streets. It's also very believable that they didn't have its exact location or know the exact extent of the facility. If, as has been suggested, those apartment buildings collapsed not because of the bombing but rather because their foundations were undermined from the collapse of Hamas excavations, it's reasonable for Israel to have been surprised at the extent of the damage and not have anticipated it in their calculations before the strike.

    I think the important question is not whether their anticipated civilian casualties were overly optimistic or not (their assumptions seem to be broadly in line with their past experience), but whether the Hamas target was important enough to warrant systematically bombing the roadway in a solid block or two of Gaza City with relatively large penetrating munitions. I don't think we will ever get an understanding of the importance of that target to Hamas.
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  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Also, you can always just not drop bombs.
    Thank god for bombs. Imagine how crowded the world would be now if not for bombs.
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