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  1. #2191
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Future world leaders aren't going to suddenly start running foreign policy based on popular opinion or moral considerations, and global diplomacy is already more explicitly transactional than it was 10-20 years ago. Literally no one is going lift a finger exact a price from Israel for something that will have happened 10-20 years in the past.
    Public opinion absolutely does influence foreign policy, especially if it's a salient enough issue and there are no vital foreign policy interests at stake (and there aren't for most Western countries).

    The main reason the EU doesn't have the most severe sanctions on Israel right now is because of Germany. And it's not because Germany has vital interests in that part of the world. A lesser reason is because of bipartisan support for Israel in the US. But Israel is becoming toxic for the Democratic Party. We're probably 1-2 election cycles away from a pro-Israeli politician being unable to win a Democratic primary in much of the country.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #2192
    It's not because the German public has a positive view of Israel either, because they don't: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/majo...survey/3605776

    In my opinion, the level of forbearance given to Israel in the gaza war by western countries cannot be explained by public opinion. For example, although it of course wouldn't be viable for Biden to make a speech condemning Israel genocide and calling it a fascist settler colony, there's a lot of daylight between that and waving through the most extreme and violent response to Oct. 7th possible, supplying weapons and actually using U.S. military assets to protect Israel. The US has more than enough leavers to apply pressure to Israel if it choose to use them, but it didn't - it doesn't even need to be a big public thing that would have electoral consequences, it could have been a quiet phone call to Bibi saying 'ok, you've made your point, that's enough', as Reagan did over Beirut, but he didn't.

    The UK is also supporting Israel in a tangible way - helping with air cover from iranian and houthi attacks, plus surveillance flights over gaza, and we're certainly not doing it because Labour (or the Tories) have this pro-Israel voting block making their support conditional on helping Israel.

    So, I think western countries do think it is in their national interest to support Israel.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  3. #2193
    The older generations support Israel and the top politicians are drawn from their ranks. Germany has minimal involvement in the Middle East. There is no serious argument there are vital German interests at stake.

  4. #2194
    There is no serious argument there are vital German interests at stake.
    There are vital German interests at stake in not pissing off the US, though. The US is itching to fully pivot to the pacific and has been since Obama, the current US admin both the most openly sceptical of NATO and openly transactional in living memory, it supports Israel heavily (even to the extent of going against the wishes of its base in the attack on Iran) and people are openly talking about the possibility of a Russian attack on the baltics. We don't know what goes into the decisions leaders make, but it's not hard to construct a plausible argument that the German decision not support sanctioning Israel is based on self-interest.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  5. #2195
    It wouldn't have led to major repercussions when Biden was president and yet Germany supported Israel then, too.

  6. #2196
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    And I'm sure it was deliberate.
    Well, they spent months manufacturing consent for the assassination - which both he and others saw coming - so I suspect you're right. It was a clearly marked press tent whose location was widely known as they'd been reporting from there.

    The main reason the EU doesn't have the most severe sanctions on Israel right now is because of Germany. And it's not because Germany has vital interests in that part of the world.
    I'm not sure about this reasoning. Sanctions are an EUCO competency, and require unanimity. In Israel's case, at least Germany, Hungary, and the Czech Republic have opposed sanctions to date.

    The EU is often very slow to pursue sanctions - see eg. the extremely slow and ineffectual response to the Rohingya genocide. Even the sanctions on Russia were surprisingly slow, and comically limited.

    A lesser reason is because of bipartisan support for Israel in the US. But Israel is becoming toxic for the Democratic Party. We're probably 1-2 election cycles away from a pro-Israeli politician being unable to win a Democratic primary in much of the country.
    Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    In my opinion, the level of forbearance given to Israel in the gaza war by western countries cannot be explained by public opinion. For example, although it of course wouldn't be viable for Biden to make a speech condemning Israel genocide and calling it a fascist settler colony, there's a lot of daylight between that and waving through the most extreme and violent response to Oct. 7th possible, supplying weapons and actually using U.S. military assets to protect Israel. The US has more than enough leavers to apply pressure to Israel if it choose to use them, but it didn't - it doesn't even need to be a big public thing that would have electoral consequences, it could have been a quiet phone call to Bibi saying 'ok, you've made your point, that's enough', as Reagan did over Beirut, but he didn't.

    The UK is also supporting Israel in a tangible way - helping with air cover from iranian and houthi attacks, plus surveillance flights over gaza, and we're certainly not doing it because Labour (or the Tories) have this pro-Israel voting block making their support conditional on helping Israel.

    So, I think western countries do think it is in their national interest to support Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Public opinion absolutely does influence foreign policy, especially if it's a salient enough issue and there are no vital foreign policy interests at stake (and there aren't for most Western countries).
    Foreign policy interests might not be at stake, but there are political - esp. culture war - stakes, for center-right and right-wing coalitions in particular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Germany has minimal involvement in the Middle East. There is no serious argument there are vital German interests at stake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    There are vital German interests at stake in not pissing off the US, though. The US is itching to fully pivot to the pacific and has been since Obama, the current US admin both the most openly sceptical of NATO and openly transactional in living memory, it supports Israel heavily (even to the extent of going against the wishes of its base in the attack on Iran) and people are openly talking about the possibility of a Russian attack on the baltics. We don't know what goes into the decisions leaders make, but it's not hard to construct a plausible argument that the German decision not support sanctioning Israel is based on self-interest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It wouldn't have led to major repercussions when Biden was president and yet Germany supported Israel then, too.
    Supporting Israel is literally Germany's Staatsr?son. I'd say that's a pretty compelling interest, from their perspective.

    That said, there's definitely a massive disconnect between high-level foreign policy officials and the public, re. Israel. Indeed, there's a massive disconnect between low- & mid-level foreign policy officials and their bosses, and it's been that way in the US for decades (see ongoing failures to enforce US laws restricting military support for human rights violators).
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  7. #2197
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It wouldn't have led to major repercussions when Biden was president and yet Germany supported Israel then, too.
    What about medium repercussions? The Biden admin was still very pro-israel.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  8. #2198
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  9. #2199
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    We're probably 1-2 election cycles away from a pro-Israeli politician being unable to win a Democratic primary in much of the country.
    Well that doesn't mean much. We're less than 1 election cycle away from not having genuine elections anymore in the first place, and since the only way we're going to avoid that destination is a successful civil war there's really no guessing what will come after.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  10. #2200
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Well that doesn't mean much. We're less than 1 election cycle away from not having genuine elections anymore in the first place, and since the only way we're going to avoid that destination is a successful civil war there's really no guessing what will come after.
    Who cares. As long as the new politicians all pledge their unconditional support for Israel at the expense of the American tax payer, it is all good and business can continue as normal.

    On another note, what the fuck is it with Zionism, the worlds foremost ethnostate and peadophilia?

    Israeli government official charged with soliciting 15-year-old girl in Las Vegas

    Police say Tom Artiom Alexandrovich brought condom and thought he was meeting teenager for ?sexual contact?


    An Israeli government official charged with soliciting a minor believed he was meeting a 15-year-old girl for ?sexual contact?, according to police ? and brought a condom to the planned rendezvous in Las Vegas.


    Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, a division head at the Israel National Cyber Directorate, was arrested in a police sting operation aimed at online users seeking to sexually prey on children. The Las Vegas outlet 8NewsNow reported that Alexandrovich chatted with an officer posing as a teenager online before being arrested.


    ?The sexual contact included bringing a condom and taking the decoy to ?Cirque du Soleil?,? which stages elaborate shows along the Las Vegas Strip, said police documents seen by 8NewsNow.


    Details of the arrest came as the state department denied the US government played any role in releasing the Israeli official ? after Alexanderovich was able to return to Israel once he had bonded out of jail in connection with the felony charge.


    A swarm of commentary online, propelled in part by Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, speculated that Alexanderovich had been shielded by the government at a time when the Trump administration has been struggling to contain criticism over unfulfilled promises to release all files related to the prosecution of the late, disgraced financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.


    ?The Department of State is aware that Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, an Israeli citizen, was arrested in Las Vegas and given a court date for charges related to soliciting sex electronically from a minor,? the state department wrote on X.


    ?He did not claim diplomatic immunity and was released by a state judge pending a court date. Any claims that the US government intervened are false.?


    That statement came after Greene, who has recently broken with the White House over Israel?s military campaign in Gaza, questioned Alexandrovich?s case on Monday, claiming that the government had ?release[d] a child sex predator from Israel who works directly under the prime minister of Israel?, Benjamin Netanyahu.


    Abramovich was arrested as he arrived at an agreed-upon location for the meet-up, 8NewsNow reported. He told police he believed he was chatting with an 18-year-old.


    ?Alexandrovich stated he felt the girl ?pushed? him to talk about bringing a condom, yet could not remember how many times the girl ?pushed? him,? police documents seen by 8NewsNow said.


    ?Alexandrovich stated he was embarrassed for being arrested.?


    Court records reviewed by Reuters show a $10,000 bond was posted in Alexandrovich?s case at the Henderson detention center, south-east of Las Vegas, on 7 August. The records indicate he is due back in court on 27 August.


    A post on Israel?s government website from November describes Alexandrovich as the ?head of the Technological Defense Division at the INCD [Israel National Cyber Directorate]?. A screenshot on Alexanderovich?s LinkedIn page, first reported by Mediaite, describes him as the same. A post on Alexandrovich?s page alluded to his having been in Las Vegas earlier in August for the Black Hat Briefings, a yearly meeting of cybersecurity professionals.


    ?Two things you can?t escape at Black Hat 2025: the relentless buzz of generative [artificial intelligence] and the sound of Hebrew ? in every corridor,? Alexandrovich wrote in part in an accompanying post. Invoking an abbreviation for large language models and referring to one of Israel?s largest cities, the post continued: ?The key takeaway? The future of cybersecurity is being written in code, and it seems a significant part of it is being authored in #TelAviv and powered by LLMs. An exciting time to be in the field!?


    That LinkedIn page under Alexandrovich?s name has since been deleted.


    Israeli media reported in recent days that Alexanderovich had been released and was back in Israel, with some quoting the Netanyahu?s office as denying that Alexandrovich was arrested, saying only that a ?state employee? was ?questioned by American authorities during his stay? and he had ?returned to Israel as scheduled?. The Israeli news site Ynet reported that Alexandrovich was on leave from the Cyber Directorate by ?mutual decision?.


    Alexanderovich was among eight men in an operation led by Nevada?s internet crime against children taskforce.


    All of the suspects believed they were meeting minors when undercover officers instead confronted and arrested them, police said.


    The arrested men were all brought to jail after being detained, said the statement from the Las Vegas metropolitan police department, which participated in the operation alongside local, state and federal law enforcement officials.


    Among the other suspects was Las Vegas Redemption church pastor Neal Harrison Creecy, 46, 8NewsNow reported. Creecy reportedly believed he would meet a 14-year-old boy when he was arrested, and he resigned after posting a $10,000 bond for his release from jail.


    Under Nevada law, luring a child with a computer for a sex act can carry between one to 10 years in prison.
    Obviously, being an Israeli Zionist Jew, one of the Chosen Ones, he was allowed to leave the country the next day. And this follows the long established pattern.


    Israel becoming 'safe haven for paedophiles' with laws that allow any Jews to legally return, activists claim

    How Jewish American pedophiles hide from justice in Israel

    Israel Becoming a 'Refuge for Pedophiles,' Warns Advocate for Child Sex Abuse Victims




    Apparently it is anti-semitic to be against the rape of children in the USA.

    American Zionist Jews (and now Israeli ones!) get to fuck some goyim kids in the USA and run to the Land Without A People TM to murder the indigenous ones.

    Then we have cueball Ivol Caplin in the UK. Another Chosen peadophile whos story was brushed under the rug.

    Oy Vey.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  11. #2201
    The world's most moral army believes 4 out of every 5 people it has killed in Gaza are civilians:

    https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intel...ans-militants/

    Israeli army database suggests at least 83% of Gaza dead were civilians
    Classified intelligence from May reveals Israel believed it had killed some 8,900 militants in its attacks on Gaza
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  12. #2202
    I'm sure even their classified internal reporting is far too optimistic for them but I can't help but wonder how many of those "8900 militants" are people even they would never have classified that way. . . until Israel started their incredibly and unnecessarily brutal
    retaliation
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  13. #2203
    Going by their attack on the journalist, they're labeling anyone who received a paycheck from Hamas to be a Hamas member.

  14. #2204
    Where is wiggin ?

    We need an articulate essay to explain why everyone is noticing what Israel is doing rather instead focusing on Myanmar or Sudan. Clearly everyone is becoming zionutty.

    Why does everyone hate the jews?

    On a serious note, the scaffolding of the moral framework set up over the last century is fucked. The way the holocaust is taught and will be remembered will now change. You don’t get cry about what happened to your people and then turn around and do something equally as horrific to another set of people.

    RandBlade, do you teach kids about the holocaust? What’s it like when kids ask you about the Gaza genocide thats happening in real time when you talk about the holocaust. Does it infuriate you? Do you explode and call them hamas?l I heard England is full of Mohammeds.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  15. #2205
    Last edited by BluntHorse; 09-01-2025 at 02:47 AM.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  16. #2206
    The Middle East's only democracy openly threatening to formalize the annexation of the West Bank in response to swiftly spreading int'l recognition of the Palestinian state as a direct consequence of the genocidal campaign in Gaza. It's what this country has always been, what its most strident supporters and servile water-carriers have always been.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  17. #2207
    I don’t get it.

    Why do people care so much about Palestinians now?

    Grandpa Zionist Jew was over there in the "Land Without a People" murdering, raping, throwing kids in ovens and ethnic cleansing (500+ villages) in 1947-48, whilst gaslighting everyone it was self defense. He made a whole fucking country out of it. All so the "People Without A Land" could have a bastard state.

    No one gave a shit and believed the lies that broadcasts were sent out for Palestinians to flee, so they could return after the war was done.

    Grandpa Zionist Jew setting up institutions and organizations to exploit the western guilt of the holocaust to ensure unconditional support. Then he started pre-emtive wars, expanded the terrority, killing lots of Palestinians and destabilizing the region.

    No one gave a shit.

    Now his grandkids do the Same Fucking Thing and all of a sudden it is considered bad?

    Is it because ZioJews have a hard time gaslighting people now that people have mobile phones and can share what they actually see and experience? Jewish and Zionist don’t have as much of a monopoly on the flow of information as they previously did with legacy media?

    Last edited by BluntHorse; 09-01-2025 at 04:20 AM.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  18. #2208
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The Middle East's only democracy openly threatening to formalize the annexation of the West Bank in response to swiftly spreading int'l recognition of the Palestinian state as a direct consequence of the genocidal campaign in Gaza. It's what this country has always been, what its most strident supporters and servile water-carriers have always been.
    Annexing the West Bank will formalize apartheid. Israel will pay a heavy price eventually, even if it gets a pass until Trump leaves the world stage.

  19. #2209
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Annexing the West Bank will formalize apartheid. Israel will pay a heavy price eventually, even if it gets a pass until Trump leaves the world stage.
    Oy vey. Who gives a shit. Let them do it. They have defacto annexed it anyway. No more need to outsource the violence to the Palestinian dogs at the PA who administer the occupation for them. European efficiency. At least they can stop crying about the 'only democracy in the middle east'. Can't have all them Arabs have Israeli passports, now can we? It's will affect the ‘purity' of your ZioNazi Jewish state too much. What you gonna do with the Palestinians? Push them into the sea? Drop bombs on them? What?s your favorite final solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    He's also a career politician. How about learning to control one's mouth? If Israel didn't care about relations with Turkey, it should have said that it might very well be true that a part of the world doesn't think higher of the Star of David than the Swastika, but that part of the world would also be all too happy to don the Swastika themselves. Then again, these people don't think the Holocaust happened or at least was grossly exaggerated.
    A much, much larger part of the world doesn't think higher of the Star of David than the Swastika now. They also think it’s a bit rich to cry about the holocaust whilst doing another one to Palestinians.
    Last edited by BluntHorse; 09-02-2025 at 09:18 AM.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  20. #2210
    International Association of Genocide Scholars passes resolution declaring that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  21. #2211
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    International Association of Genocide Scholars passes resolution declaring that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post

    I think I will donate $10 in your name to the Friends of the IDF for each of your false genocide accusations.
    That’s a lot of accusations against your apartheid ethnostate. Dreadnaught, will you also donate for all the accusations in this news article?

    How much will you be donating to the Friends of the IDF?
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  22. #2212
    Mazel Tov!

    Given that this is a claim from Zionist Jew sources, you can bet your last shekel that the proportion of fighters in Zionist dungeons is far, far lower.

    Zionist Jews clearly have a right to hold elderly Palestinians, children and medical workers in prison without trial or charge. It helps them feel safe.

    What proportion of Palestinian hostages do we think are raped on a daily basis?

    Link
    Israeli military database indicates only a quarter of Gaza detainees are fighters
    Elderly woman with Alzheimer’s, medical workers and children among 6,000 Palestinians held

    Only one in four detainees from Gaza are identified as fighters by Israel’s military intelligence, classified data indicates, with civilians making up the vast majority of Palestinians held without charge or trial in abusive prisons.


    Those jailed for long periods without charge or trial include medical workers, teachers, civil servants, media workers, writers, sick and disabled people and children.


    Among the most egregious cases are those of an 82-year-old woman with Alzheimer’s jailed for six weeks and of a single mother separated from her young children. When the mother was released after 53 days she found the children begging on the streets.


    The Sde Teiman military base at one point held so many sick, disabled and elderly Palestinians that they had their own hangar, dubbed “the geriatric pen”, a soldier serving there said.


    The scale of civilian detention indicated by Israel’s own data has been revealed in an investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call.


    Israeli military intelligence keeps a database of more than 47,000 named individuals whom it classifies as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters.


    Commanders consider it the most accurate information Israel has on enemy forces, according to multiple intelligence sources. It is based on information including files captured from Hamas, updated regularly and includes names of new recruits.


    In May this year the database listed 1,450 individuals in detention, whose files were marked “arrested”. That is equivalent to just one in four of all Palestinians from Gaza held in Israeli jails on suspicion of militant links since 7 October 2023.


    At that point in May Israel had detained 6,000 people under its “unlawful combatants” legislation, which allows indefinite imprisonment without charge or trial, official data released after legal appeals showed.


    Israel is also holding up to 300 Palestinians from Gaza suspected of taking part in the 7 October attacks. They are in criminal detention because Israel says it has sufficient evidence to prosecute them, although no trials have been held.


    Both rights groups and Israeli soldiers have described an even smaller ratio of fighters to civilians. When photos of Palestinians stripped and shackled caused international outrage in late 2023, senior officers told Haaretz newspaper that “85 to 90 per cent” were not Hamas members.


    The Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights has represented hundreds of civilians held in Israeli jails. “We believe the proportion of civilians among those detained is even higher than Israel’s own figures suggest,” said Samir Zaqout, Mezan’s deputy director.


    “At most, perhaps one in six or seven might have any link to Hamas or other militant factions, and even then, not necessarily through their military wings.”


    Israel’s military said it had returned more than 2,000 civilian detainees to Gaza after finding no connection to militant activity. Israel was fighting enemies who “disguise themselves as civilians”, but those releases demonstrated “a thorough review process” for detentions, the military said in a statement.


    It did not dispute the existence of the database or the figures for May, but claimed that “most” detainees were “involved in terrorist activities”.


    In May 2,750 Palestinians were permanently interned as unlawful combatants, and another 1,050 had been released under ceasefire deals, the military said.


    Israeli politicians, the military and the media often refer to all detainees as “terrorists”.


    That includes Fahamiya al-Khalidi, an 82-year-old with Alzheimer’s who was abducted with her female carer in Gaza City in December 2023, and held in Israel for six weeks under the unlawful combatant law, prison documentation shows.


    She was disoriented, could not remember her age and thought she was still in Gaza, according to a military medic who treated her in Anatot detention centre after she injured herself on a fence.


    “I remember her limping badly toward the clinic. And she’s classified as an unlawful combatant. The way that label is used is insane,” the medic said. Photographs confirm his presence at Anatot at the time.


    The Israeli military said Khalidi was targeted “based on specific intelligence concerning her personally”, but the arrest should not have gone ahead.


    “The detention was not appropriate and was the result of a local, isolated error in judgment,” the military said, adding that “individuals with medical conditions or even disabilities can still be involved in terrorism”, citing Hamas’s former military chief Mohammed Deif.


    Israel’s unlawful combatants legislation allows indefinite detention without producing evidence in open court.


    The state can hold someone for 75 days before allowing access to a lawyer and 45 days before bringing them in front of a judge to authorise the detention. At the start of the war, those periods were extended to 180 and 75 days respectively. There have been no known trials of anyone captured in Gaza since 7 October 2023.


    Tal Steiner, the director of the Public Committee Against Torture, said: “As soon as the wave of mass arrests began in Gaza in October 2023, there was serious concern that many uninvolved people were being detained without cause.


    “This concern was confirmed when we learned that half of those arrested at the beginning of the war were eventually released, demonstrating that there had been no basis for their detention in the first place.”


    State figures on the number of unlawful combatants were given to the group after it launched a lawsuit. One soldier who served at Sde Teiman military prison, which became notorious for abuse, described mass detentions of elderly and severely ill people.


    “They brought men in wheelchairs, people without legs,” he said, adding these detainees were sent to a “geriatric pen”. “I always assumed the supposed excuse for arresting patients was that maybe they had seen the hostages or something.”


    Hassan Jabareen, the director of the Palestinian legal rights group Adalah said Israel’s unlawful combatants legislation was “designed to facilitate the mass detention of civilians and enforced disappearances”.


    “It strips detainees of protections guaranteed under international law, including safeguards specifically intended for civilians, using the ‘unlawful combatant’ label to justify the systematic denial of their rights.”


    The military medic who treated Khalidi said he also treated a woman bleeding heavily after a miscarriage and a breastfeeding mother who had been separated from her baby and asked him for a pump to stop her breast milk from drying up.


    Abeer Ghaban sitting in a tent.
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    Abeer Ghaban realised in interrogation that officers had confused her husband, a farmer, with a Hamas member of the same name. Photograph: Enas Tantesh
    Abeer Ghaban, 40, who was held with Khalidi inside Israel, was separated from her daughter aged 10, and two boys aged nine and seven, when she was detained at an Israeli checkpoint in December 2023.


    Although officially still married, she was raising them alone, so when she was taken away the children were on their own.


    She realised in interrogation that officers had confused her husband, a farmer, with a Hamas member of the same name. One conceded his error after comparing photographs, she said, but she was kept in jail for six more weeks.


    Israeli troops deployed to guard Palestinians often opposed releasing civilians cleared of any Hamas links, an Israeli stationed at a military facility said. They wanted to hold them indefinitely as leverage in hostage negotiations.


    “We kept releasing people ‘for free’, and it made [soldiers] angry,” the source said. “[The soldiers] would say: ‘They’re not returning hostages, so why should we let them go?’”


    Israeli politicians have expressed similar sentiments.


    When Mohammed Abu Salmiya, the director of Gaza’s Shifa hospital, was released last year, Simcha Rothman, chair of the Knesset’s constitution, law and justice committee, complained that he was freed “not in exchange for hostages”.


    Rights groups suspect this approach has unofficially been a driver of mass detentions throughout the war. “Even before 7 October, Israel withheld the bodies of hundreds of Palestinians, using them as bargaining chips instead of returning them to their families for burial,” said a spokesperson for Al Mezan.


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    “We believe the thousands of civilians from Gaza now in detention are likewise intended to be used as bargaining chips.”


    The majority of people held as unlawful combatants are also effectively kept incommunicado, deepening anguish for both those in jail and their loved ones in Gaza.


    When Ghaban was released, she found her children begging in the street. “They were alive, but seeing the state they had been in for 53 days without me broke me,” she said. “I wished I had remained in prison rather than seeing them like that.”


    The unlawful combatants legislation has been used to facilitate the “forced disappearance of hundreds and even thousands of people”, said Jessica Montell, the director of the legal rights organisation HaMoked.


    Nesreen Deifallah spent months searching for her 16-year-old son, Moatasem, who went to look for food on 3 December 2024 and never came home, even checking decomposed corpses in hospital morgues in case she recognised his clothes.


    Moatasem before his detention.
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    Moatasem before his detention. Photograph: Courtesy of Nesreen Deifallah
    In August a recently freed detainee told Deifallah he had been held with Moatasem. “I fainted when I learned that my son was still alive,” she said. Still she cannot confirm where he is, or contact Moatasem, who was sick, according to the man.


    By August Israel’s prison service held a record 2,662 unlawful combatants, data obtained by HaMoked showed. An unknown number more are in military detention facilities.


    One Israeli officer who led mass arrest operations in Khan Younis said soldiers saw no difference “between a terrorist who entered Israel on 7 October and someone working for the water authority in Khan Younis”.




    Last edited by BluntHorse; 09-07-2025 at 10:07 AM.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  23. #2213
    Remarkable if nauseating investigation showing IDF snipers confessing to murdering civilians:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ago-and-munich

    Shit-eating weirdo freaks thought of this as the world's most moral army. Guess that says all you need to know about their morals.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  24. #2214
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Remarkable if nauseating investigation showing IDF snipers confessing to murdering civilians:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ago-and-munich

    Shit-eating weirdo freaks thought of this as the world's most moral army. Guess that says all you need to know about their morals.
    But October 7th. KHAMAS. Zionist Jews are Chosen. A land without a people for a people without a land. Arabs did the nakbab to themselves. They started the war in 1948 and ran away themselves. Right, Loki?
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  25. #2215
    Zionist Jews crying about 20 prisoners of war whilst they rounded up all the men and boys they could in Tulkarem yesterday.

    Never mind the thousands of innocent men, women, children, grandmothers, doctors, journalists in Zionist dungeons - mostly held without charge and trial, many of who are being starved and raped.

    Also, Palestinians being scraped off walls in Gaza so Dreadnaught can feel safe in New York.

    https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1966811284982071801

    I’ve seen images like this more than I'd have liked to.

    Then you wonder about why AnTi-SeMiTiSm iS iNcReAsInG.

    You really need to up your hasbara budget. Dreadnaught, ever considering donating to that cause?

    Fuck your settler colony, you sick motherfuckers.

    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  26. #2216
    So a whole bunch of countries have decided to recognize the state of Palestine, and now both Italy and Spain will send military vessels to accompany the latest Gaza aid flotilla.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  27. #2217
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    So a whole bunch of countries have decided to recognize the state of Palestine, and now both Italy and Spain will send military vessels to accompany the latest Gaza aid flotilla.
    Recognition is a great way to tell the public you have done something but actually done nothing. It's a bit like British fanfare of imposing sanctions on Zionist settlers in Feb 2024. When you read the articles, they sanctioned all of like 4 people. They didn't do anything about the systems and structures that allow thousands of settlers to torment Palestinians and drive them off their lands.


    There is no Palestinian government that countries will now start to deal with. It is also a pathetic attempt by panicking government officials to wash blood from hands.


    It is incredible political theatre to on one hand recognise Palestine but with the other, participate in its destruction. Killing a child before it is born. Where have we seen this before? Maybe that Israeli 'One shot, two kills' t-shirt of a sniper aiming at the belly of a pregnant Palestinian woman?


    Even more so, Palestinian statehood recognition by Britain is like pulling the knife out 6 inches after stabbing them 9 inches. It means nothing. Take the full fucking knife out and allow the wounds to heal. Historical wrongs must be righted. The Balfour declaration must be condemned and Palestinians given all their land back. Palestinians should be compensated first and foremost by Britain.


    Italy are snakes. They are also towing the Zionist line of 'just drop off the aid here in Cyprus and we will work with Israelis, who are murdering and starving Palestinians, to get it to Gaza' bull crap. Who knows, maybe they will get it to Gaza -- but not before it has been left languishing in the hot sun for weeks and becomes spoiled. Sounds like the type of sick shit one would expect from Zionist Jews and Italians who on one hand say (Italy?s foreign minister) ?we are not complicit in the genocide in Gaza.? Yet, Meloni?s government continues to send arms to Israel, provides police protection to 100's of IDF soldiers and pilots vacationing and training in Italy, and opposes recognizing the Palestinian state.


    https://x.com/gidonsaar/status/1971211535620923761


    Go figure.


    Also, why the fuck now are these governments recognising Palestine? What has changed that it means now is the right time to do so? Was it the inalienable right of the Palestinians all along or not?


    One must never trust a single thing a Zionist ally says or does.
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


  28. #2218
    Great to see Dreadnaught’s donation money at work! Mazel Tov!

    Or given the recent ZioNazi acquisition of TikTok as a weapon (because ZioNazi Jews are totally not trying to control the media - that suggestion is totally anti-Semantic), is it more appropriate to say Mazel Tok?

    https://headlineusa.com/benjamin-net...7000-per-post/

    Benjamin Netanyahu Admits Israel Pays Influencers $7,000 Per Post


    'Promoting cultural interchange between the United States and Israel...'


    Posted by Jose Nino


    October 1, 2025

    Benjamin Netanyahu / PHOTO: AP

    (Jos? Ni?o, Headline USA) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly acknowledged paying social media influencers up to $7,372 per post to shape American public opinion about Gaza operations, according to Foreign Agents Registration Act filings revealed in late September.
    According to a report by Responsible Statecraft of Nick Cleveland-Scout, Netanyahu openly defended the strategy during a Friday meeting with American influencers at the Israeli Consulate General in New York. “We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers. I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance, to that community, they are very important,” Netanyahu declared in recorded footage
    The Prime Minister provocatively described social media as Israel’s new battlefield weapon. “We cannot fight with swords anymore, that doesn’t work very well. We have to fight with weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we’re engaged in and the most important ones are on social media,” Netanyahu proclaimed, according to a report by Press TV.
    Responsible Statecraft reported that Bridge Partners LLC, a Washington D.C.-based firm contracted by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, manages the covert operation through invoices sent to Havas Media Group Germany.

    The campaign, running from June through November 2025, allocates $900,000 for a network of 14-18 social media influencers creating content across TikTok and Instagram.
    After accounting for administrative costs including legal fees, banking fees, and marketing expenses through the middle of September, approximately $552,946 flows directly to influencer payments between June and September 2025.
    With the firm estimating 75-90 posts during this timeframe, the mathematics reveals payments ranging from $6,143 per post on the low end to $7,372 per post on the high end.
    The campaign operates under the codename “Esther Project,” though its connection to the Heritage Foundation’s similarly named “Project Esther” remains unclear. The Heritage Foundation’s Project Esther, launched in October 2024, aims to dismantle pro-Palestinian movements by labeling Israel critics as part of a “terrorist support network.”

    Bridge Partners founders Yair Levi and Uri Steinberg, who each own 50% stakes in the firm, describe their work as “promoting cultural interchange between the United States and Israel,” per a report by The Times of Israel.
    The Capitol Hill-based company enlisted former IDF spokesperson unit major Nadav Shtrauchler and retained Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman for legal counsel—the same firm that previously represented controversial Israeli spyware company NSO Group, as Responsible Statecraft noted.
    This influencer operation represents one component of Israel’s dramatically expanded digital propaganda efforts, known as “hasbara.” According to Jewish Insider, the Israeli government’s public diplomacy budget increased to $150 million in 2025—over 20 times its pre-October 2023 war allocation.
    The revelation about the Jewish state’s influencer scheme follows earlier exposed Israeli influence operations, including a $2 million Ministry of Diaspora Affairs initiative in 2024 that utilized hundreds of fake accounts to target U.S. lawmakers, particularly Black Democrats, encouraging continued military funding for Israel, as the New York Times reported.
    The timing of Israel’s influencer scheme coincides with the U.S. government-backed deal transferring TikTok operations to an American consortium led by Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison, a Netanyahu ally and major Israeli military donor.


    Jos? Ni?o is the deputy editor of Headline USA. Follow him at x.com/JoseAlNino
    Oh come on with the "genocide" rhetoric.


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