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    Belgium bans burqa-type dress in public

    BRUSSELS – Belgium's lower house of parliament on Thursday banned burqa-type Islamic dress in public, but the measure faces a challenge in the Senate which will delay early enactment of the law.

    Christian Democrats and Liberals in the Senate questioned the phrasing of the law, which holds no one can appear in public "with the face fully or partly covered so as to render them no longer recognizable."

    Following the fall of Premier Yves Leterme's government April 22, Belgium faces early elections that may delay passage of the Belgian anti-burqa ban — Europe's first — by several months. Both houses of parliament must approve the bill.

    Approval in the lower house was almost unanimous.

    Like elsewhere in Europe, Belgium struggles with anxieties that visible signs of Islam erode national identity and that women in traditional conservative Islamic dress, such as the burqa, the chador and the niqab, signal a refusal to assimilate in western society.

    The law's author, Daniel Bacquelaine, a Liberal, said a burqa is incompatible with basic security as everyone in public must be recognizable and clashes with the principles of an emancipated society that respects the rights of all.

    Burqa-type Islamic dress that fully covers a woman and most or all of her face is not common in Europe.

    Last year, the city of Brussels fined only 29 women — down from 33 in 2008 — for wearing a burqa-type dress. In Belgium, local rules ban the burqa, but enforcement is spotty and the new law would outlaw it on a national level.

    In January, Denmark's center-right government called the burqa and the niqab out of step with Danish values. It held off on a ban after finding that only two or three women in Denmark, a nation of 5.5 million people, wear burqas and perhaps 200 wear niqabs.

    In France, a nation of 65 million people, the government estimates 1,900 women cover their faces with niqabs, a scarf that exposes only the eyes, or sitars, a filmy veiled cloth thrown over the head to cover the entire face.

    France banned Muslim head scarves as well as Jewish skullcaps and Christian crosses from schools in 2004.

    President Nicolas Sarkozy says the burqa "is not welcome" in France, but questions have been raised about the constitutionality of a ban.

    Although their ranks are growing, Muslims make up only small minorities in Western Europe.

    France has the largest Muslim population, an estimated 5 million, or 7.5 percent of the population, followed by the Netherlands with 6 percent, Germany with 5 percent, Austria with 4.2 percent, Belgium with 3 percent and Britain with 2.7 percent, according to a 2009 study of the Pew Research Center in Washington.


    Cleansing Europe of Mohammedan filth one law at a time! Hopefully, anyway.
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    So they actually went ahead and did it huh.

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    Don't give a frack about the religion of the brown people, but does this set a precendent?

    no one can appear in public "with the face fully or partly covered so as to render them no longer recognizable."

    Pulling a scarf up around my face if the wind picks up? Wearing sunglasses when the sun comes out?
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    Banning Islamic dress is almost as retarded as imposing Islamic dress. Women should be allowed to wear burkas and naqibs and the like, just as anyone else should be allowed to wear a big sign proclaiming that they're a moronic, religious zealot stuck back in Dark Ages society.

    Really, I'm all for allowing the idiots to make themselves easier to pick out from the crowd, particularly when that's what they want.

    Christian Democrats and Liberals in the Senate questioned the phrasing of the law, which holds no one can appear in public "with the face fully or partly covered so as to render them no longer recognizable."
    Sure, 'cause that won't cause problems when winter comes and people want to prevent frostbite on their faces.

    Come to think of it, wouldn't this make Halloween and public Santa Claus displays illegal too? Three cheers for political pandering; it always works out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain
    Come to think of it, wouldn't this make Halloween and public Santa Claus displays illegal too?
    One'd hope!
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    No love for Halloween from you? That's kinda unexpected, at least to me.
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    Actually I don't think any state is obliged to go as far as allowing people to go about with their face entirely hidden from view. As far as the law is concerned; the senate still has to approve it.
    Congratulations America

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    Happens over here in the northern parts of North America pretty often, particularly in the winter months. When it's -30 with a stiff breeze, you pretty much have to cover up all your skin if you're going to be outside for more than a few seconds, and object to having your face freeze. So, yeah, they pretty much have to allow us to go out with our faces completely covered, as people tend not to reelect politicians who give them massive facial frostbite. Weird, yeah, but that's just one of the realities of this fucked-up world.

    Can't imagine it's all that different in Scandahoovia and the rest of northern Europe... though you guys in the low countries can probably get away with it... at least until Halloween comes around, and/or the jails are packed to overflowing with law-breaking Santa Clauses. (Clausii? Well, whatever.)
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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    It's just a little cold, walk it off you pussy
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Happens over here in the northern parts of North America pretty often, particularly in the winter months. When it's -30 with a stiff breeze, you pretty much have to cover up all your skin if you're going to be outside for more than a few seconds, and object to having your face freeze. So, yeah, they pretty much have to allow us to go out with our faces completely covered, as people tend not to reelect politicians who give them massive facial frostbite. Weird, yeah, but that's just one of the realities of this fucked-up world.

    Can't imagine it's all that different in Scandahoovia and the rest of northern Europe... though you guys in the low countries can probably get away with it... at least until Halloween comes around, and/or the jails are packed to overflowing with law-breaking Santa Clauses. (Clausii? Well, whatever.)
    1. The Low Countries hardly ever have got winters that harsh.
    2. Santa only wears a beard here, no full facial mask
    3. No Halloween
    4. Carnaval doesn't necessarily include full facial masks either.
    Congratulations America

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    Adults here aren't allowed to wear full cover halloween masks Don't know if it covers children too, but no one ever stops them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Adults here aren't allowed to wear full cover halloween masks
    ???

    A cop would stop you if you were walking to a fancy dress party dressed as a gorilla, and ask you to remove your gorilla's head?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Walking down the street? Yes
    Driving? Yes
    Shopping? Yes
    Bar hopping? Yes
    In a private party? No


    But this is Florida, only those with a death wish walk from Point A to Point B in full costume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    2. Santa only wears a beard here, no full facial mask
    4. Carnaval doesn't necessarily include full facial masks either.
    "with the face fully or partly covered so as to render them no longer recognizable."

    A fake beard, especially a big-ass, white Santa beard definitely fits that bill. Unless you can recognize a mall Santa with his 10 pounds of fake facial hair removed.
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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    2. Santa only wears a beard here, no full facial mask
    You don't have to wear a full facial mask to completely obscure your facial features. I've played Santa a few times. The standard costume has a beard & normal hair on the top. With the two combined you can make out nothing but the eyes.

    Though to be honest... do people really think the police are going to hassle Santa? It seems obvious the law here is to hassle Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Though to be honest... do people really think the police are going to hassle Santa? It seems obvious the law here is to hassle Muslims.
    How long do you honestly think it's going to be until some "communist hippie" decides that he's offended by the Judeo-Christian holdiay being shoved down his throat, and complains loudly enough to get the cops to crack down on Santas who are braking the letter of the law? (This is crazy, socialist Europe, remember.)

    Like all laws with good intentions, even this noble law, designed only to harass the Muslim heathen (), will eventually be abused, and applied beyond its original scope, to those who have no Muslim-ness whatsoever.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Oh no, not harassing the good Book! Dear me, who will send bears to maul children now? Must we return to our pagan ways for kiddie blood portions? It is so hard, under to yoke of socialism
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    So now they'll just keep their women penned up at home?

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    Gotta love that law of unintended consequences, huh? Now make me a sammich, bitch!
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Because the men will not be prosecuted for depriving the women of their freedom of movement

    Because the women will not be found insane due to not wanting to be FREE

    Because the fight against lolregion cannot be fought ever so slowly

    lol
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Are nun's habits illegal, too? What about bishop's miters? (Maybe they don't wear those in public.)

    How about Indians with their turbans or Arab sheiks in their head dress (what are those called?) I'm not sure if those are 'religious' garb or cultural, men-in-dresses-and-scarves.

    Why are they focusing on the women? I don't get it. Can you wear wigs, baseball caps, sunglasses, a neck scarf, a hoodie? Those things obscure identity, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Are nun's habits illegal, too? What about bishop's miters? (Maybe they don't wear those in public.)
    Those don't cover the face, so no.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    France banned Muslim head scarves as well as Jewish skullcaps and Christian crosses from schools in 2004.
    They meant public schools, I hope.

    So what's next, banning bandanas and baclavas? Like I said, I just don't "get it".

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    The law's author, Daniel Bacquelaine, a Liberal, said a burqa is incompatible with basic security as everyone in public must be recognizable and clashes with the principles of an emancipated society that respects the rights of all.
    Not the rights of religious expression, the right to dress appropriately or the right to wear fucking sunglasses or a scarf.

    What a waste of time.
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    Sigh. GG Belgium Thx.

    Aside from issues of freedom.... When will people learn? {Black Panthers march, get the **** kicked out of them by cops. Reaction: "Man, I am oppressed!"} or {Black Panthers march, white ladies with kids say "look at the nice men." Reaction: "Meh, I'm pretty free."} Which do you pick as a government?

    It never fails. Crack down on behavior that bugs you, you reinforce that behavior. Ask most parents who absolutely forbade sex or partying to their teenage kid. Best way to get them to do it. Morons.

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    Exactly. They would be better spent blanketing their unassimilated Islamic neighborhoods with photos of happy people walking on the beach with no burkas.

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    Yes, exactly, now Belgian teenagers are going to wear burqas behind closed doors, giggling like maniacs. It's the new European smoking!



    Jackasses.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    It's obviously not the same as smoking. Next time you hear an Imam talk about the necessity of smoking, then we'll talk.

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    It's not cute when Kain does it and it doesn't become any cuter even with your curly hair, snookums
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post


    Cleansing Europe of Mohammedan filth one law at a time! Hopefully, anyway.
    No more Stormtrooper parades.

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    Seriously, is there anybody naive enough to think this will work? Check that: clearly there is: some dumbass Belgian legislators.

    Is there some kind of strong National Front-ish sentiment here? Who are these numbnuts? Or are they just grandstanding? Can we use Loki's favorite epithet, "populist," here?

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