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    Default Private prison lobby behind controversial Arizona immigrant bill, says NPR

    Prison Economics Help Drive Ariz. Immigration Law
    October 28, 2010
    Last year, two men showed up in Benson, Ariz., a small desert town 60 miles from the Mexico border, offering a deal.

    Glenn Nichols, the Benson city manager, remembers the pitch.

    "The gentleman that's the main thrust of this thing has a huge turquoise ring on his finger," Nichols said. "He's a great big huge guy and I equated him to a car salesman."

    What he was selling was a prison for women and children who were illegal immigrants.
    "They talk [about] how positive this was going to be for the community," Nichols said, "the amount of money that we would realize from each prisoner on a daily rate."

    But Nichols wasn't buying. He asked them how would they possibly keep a prison full for years — decades even — with illegal immigrants?

    "They talked like they didn't have any doubt they could fill it," Nichols said.
    That's because prison companies like this one had a plan — a new business model to lock up illegal immigrants. And the plan became Arizona's immigration law.

    Behind-The-Scenes Effort To Draft, Pass The Law
    The law is being challenged in the courts. But if it's upheld, it requires police to lock up anyone they stop who cannot show proof they entered the country legally.


    When it was passed in April, it ignited a fire storm. Protesters chanted about racial profiling. Businesses threatened to boycott the state.

    Supporters were equally passionate, calling it a bold positive step to curb illegal immigration.
    But while the debate raged, few people were aware of how the law came about.

    NPR spent the past several months analyzing hundreds of pages of campaign finance reports, lobbying documents and corporate records. What they show is a quiet, behind-the-scenes effort to help draft and pass Arizona Senate Bill 1070 by an industry that stands to benefit from it: the private prison industry.

    The law could send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to prison in a way never done before. And it could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in profits to private prison companies responsible for housing them.

    Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce says the bill was his idea. He says it's not about prisons. It's about what's best for the country.

    "Enough is enough," Pearce said in his office, sitting under a banner reading "Let Freedom Reign." "People need to focus on the cost of not enforcing our laws and securing our border. It is the Trojan horse destroying our country and a republic cannot survive as a lawless nation."
    But instead of taking his idea to the Arizona statehouse floor, Pearce first took it to a hotel conference room.

    It was last December at the Grand Hyatt in Washington, D.C. Inside, there was a meeting of a secretive group called the American Legislative Exchange Council. Insiders call it ALEC.
    It's a membership organization of state legislators and powerful corporations and associations, such as the tobacco company Reynolds American Inc., ExxonMobil and the National Rifle Association. Another member is the billion-dollar Corrections Corporation of America — the largest private prison company in the country.

    It was there that Pearce's idea took shape.
    "I did a presentation," Pearce said. "I went through the facts. I went through the impacts and they said, 'Yeah.'"

    Drafting The Bill
    The 50 or so people in the room included officials of the Corrections Corporation of America, according to two sources who were there.
    Pearce and the Corrections Corporation of America have been coming to these meetings for years. Both have seats on one of several of ALEC's boards.

    And this bill was an important one for the company. According to Corrections Corporation of America reports reviewed by NPR, executives believe immigrant detention is their next big market. Last year, they wrote that they expect to bring in "a significant portion of our revenues" from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that detains illegal immigrants.

    In the conference room, the group decided they would turn the immigration idea into a model bill. They discussed and debated language. Then, they voted on it.





    "There were no 'no' votes," Pearce said. "I never had one person speak up in objection to this model legislation."
    Four months later, that model legislation became, almost word for word, Arizona's immigration law.
    They even named it. They called it the "Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act."
    "ALEC is the conservative, free-market orientated, limited-government group," said Michael Hough, who was staff director of the meeting.

    Hough works for ALEC, but he's also running for state delegate in Maryland, and if elected says he plans to support a similar bill to Arizona's law.

    Asked if the private companies usually get to write model bills for the legislators, Hough said, "Yeah, that's the way it's set up. It's a public-private partnership. We believe both sides, businesses and lawmakers should be at the same table, together."

    Nothing about this is illegal. Pearce's immigration plan became a prospective bill and Pearce took it home to Arizona.

    Campaign Donations
    Pearce said he is not concerned that it could appear private prison companies have an opportunity to lobby for legislation at the ALEC meetings.

    "I don't go there to meet with them," he said. "I go there to meet with other legislators."
    Pearce may go there to meet with other legislators, but 200 private companies pay tens of thousands of dollars to meet with legislators like him.

    As soon as Pearce's bill hit the Arizona statehouse floor in January, there were signs of ALEC's influence. Thirty-six co-sponsors jumped on, a number almost unheard of in the capitol. According to records obtained by NPR, two-thirds of them either went to that December meeting or are ALEC members.

    That same week, the Corrections Corporation of America hired a powerful new lobbyist to work the capitol.

    The prison company declined requests for an interview. In a statement, a spokesman said the Corrections Corporation of America, "unequivocally has not at any time lobbied — nor have we had any outside consultants lobby – on immigration law."

    At the state Capitol, campaign donations started to appear.

    Thirty of the 36 co-sponsors received donations over the next six months, from prison lobbyists or prison companies — Corrections Corporation of America, Management and Training Corporation and The Geo Group.

    By April, the bill was on Gov. Jan Brewer's desk.

    Brewer has her own connections to private prison companies. State lobbying records show two of her top advisers — her spokesman Paul Senseman and her campaign manager Chuck Coughlin — are former lobbyists for private prison companies. Brewer signed the bill — with the name of the legislation Pearce, the Corrections Corporation of America and the others in the Hyatt conference room came up with — in four days.

    Brewer and her spokesman did not respond to requests for comment.
    In May, The Geo Group had a conference call with investors. When asked about the bill, company executives made light of it, asking, "Did they have some legislation on immigration?"
    After company officials laughed, the company's president, Wayne Calabrese, cut in.
    "This is Wayne," he said. "I can only believe the opportunities at the federal level are going to continue apace as a result of what's happening. Those people coming across the border and getting caught are going to have to be detained and that for me, at least I think, there's going to be enhanced opportunities for what we do."
    Opportunities that prison companies helped create.
    Buying legislators is bad, mmmkay?

    This does come off as bit tin-foil-hatty. Surely it isn't the companies' fault for using the opportunities available to them, namely the bigoted, old boy network willing to legislate crap like this?
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    Wow...I didn't even know we had privatized prisons in the U.S.
    What a bizzare idea. I wonder how that concept fits in the framework of the constitution? I wonder if we can privatize the entire Judicial system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Buying legislators is bad, mmmkay?
    No, no, no. You've got it all wrong. It's free speech!

    This does come off as bit tin-foil-hatty. Surely it isn't the companies' fault for using the opportunities available to them, namely the bigoted, old boy network willing to legislate crap like this?
    It's not tin foil hatty. Quid pro quo is as old as prostitution.

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    Yeah, we talked about this in the Immigration thread, I think. The private prison system in AZ was exposed recently after two felons escaped. Their lady accomplice on the outside brought wire cutters and a car, and they just cut the fence and drove off. It took over 8 hours before their absence was even noticed. By then it became a huge tri-state man hunt, and took a long time to capture them.

    Private prisons operate cheaper because they hire rent-a-cops and cut staffing to the bone. Brewer came under fire for her connections, and the new immigration law. I recall her answer was "saving Arizonans money".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Buying legislators is bad, mmmkay?

    This does come off as bit tin-foil-hatty. Surely it isn't the companies' fault for using the opportunities available to them, namely the bigoted, old boy network willing to legislate crap like this?
    To play Devil's Advocate, the state senator insists the legislation was his idea, that he presented the idea at that legislator/lobbyist conference, and that yeah, while the lobbyists helped draft the bill, many of its cosponsors in Arizona were at that same conference. They might not have helped draft it, but you can be sure they were consulted about it before or after. They knew about it before they cosponsored it.

    And frankly, legislators DO need the help in drafting legislation. For the most part, they don't have the knowledge or experience to come up with decent legislation on their own, or with their normal staff. This goes doubly for those states which have instituted term limits for legislators. Then they're kicked out by the time they just might have been getting a proper handle on the process and frequently they find their later employment. . . with the lobbyists, actually using that experience they've gained to draft the legislation that was out of their depth when in-office.

    Is it screwed up, even from a Devils Advocate perspective? Sure. I don't know that the bureaucracy-expanding technocratic model is all that better an alternative, and those are the only two major ways that have developed to cope with an increasingly more specialized world, AFAIK.
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    And you're probably right; my flippant OP suggests a similar inability to come up with constructive criticism.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    The revolving door is a huge problem, though. It becomes a self-fulfilling cycle; if legislators are inexperienced, and lobbyists are "needed" to help draft legislation, maybe it's partly due to lobbyists making the legislation process complicated? Writing thousands of pages with earmarks and pork buried in documents, requiring staffs and interns.

    If the process is too complicated, it's not just because our world is more complex, or that freshmen legislators are inexperienced. Lobbyists helped set it up that way, and it benefits them, because money and special interests run our political machinery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Buying legislators is bad, mmmkay?

    This does come off as bit tin-foil-hatty. Surely it isn't the companies' fault for using the opportunities available to them, namely the bigoted, old boy network willing to legislate crap like this?
    Didn't you forget that NPR was recently virtually bought by socialist George Soros? Can't trust anything they say...



    Private prisons operate cheaper because they hire rent-a-cops and cut staffing to the bone. Brewer came under fire for her connections, and the new immigration law. I recall her answer was "saving Arizonans money".
    Private prisons are also cheaper because they are more efficient, per market efficiency theories, as they theoretically compete with other private and government prisons for inmates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    Didn't you forget that NPR was recently virtually bought by socialist George Soros? Can't trust anything they say...
    I don't follow the rar rar Soros crowd, sorry
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    Didn't you forget that NPR was recently virtually bought by socialist George Soros? Can't trust anything they say...
    It's been covered by other news sources, especially in Arizona. You can look up CCA, they're a public company trading on NYSE. Profit for Prisoners, basically. (It wasn't too long ago that juveniles were found to be convicted and sent to private "correctional facilities" with kickbacks to the judge, it ended as a law suit. I don't recall the state or private facility, but there's a conflict of interest when profits come to play.)

    Private prisons are also cheaper because they are more efficient, per market efficiency theories, as they theoretically compete with other private and government prisons for inmates.
    Depends on what you consider efficient. Escapees and law suits claiming poor conditions or mistreatment doesn't sound very efficient. Your market theory would support the moral hazard of more convictions = more prisoners = more profit. Don't kid yourself.

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    Market efficiency would state that escapees and poor conditions would lower a company's profitability, assuming the government penalized these companies in those cases. Anyway, my point in summary is that it's how you set up the market conditions that makes all the difference.

    Regardless of the potential for systemic or strategic abuse (ie: the illegal immigrant "idea"), private prisons in and of themselves are not the problem!

    Most American prisons are over-populated, and breed gangs and do nothing about recidivism rates. Perhaps a private prison would not be offering prisoners gym equipment and hours of free time, which allows these (mostly) men to return as hulking beasts of men seething with anger and self control issues. Seriously, why are we letting violent people with no self control exercise daily and constantly? So they kill each other faster, and then kill the rest of us when they get out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    I don't follow the rar rar Soros crowd, sorry
    When's the last time you saw a NPR story about politicians paid for by AFL-CIO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    When's the last time you saw a NPR story about politicians paid for by AFL-CIO?
    When's the last time I saw the who now?

    e: And how does the view-point of a Finnish net-trawler invalidate or validate this article? Someone educate me here
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    When's the last time I saw the who now?

    e: And how does the view-point of a Finnish net-trawler invalidate or validate this article? Someone educate me here
    Because there's outrage only when it's a right-wing group "buying" influence.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Figured our local representative of the John Birch Society would come out to defend these actions.

    Hmm, where was it Dread reads all of those stories about state employees unions?

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    Is CBS a more "neutral" source?



    You can go back several years and find the same private prison controversy, when Napolitano was Governor of AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Figured our local representative of the John Birch Society would come out to defend these actions.

    Hmm, where was it Dread reads all of those stories about state employees unions?
    I think we already established that everyone who doesn't have your political beliefs and your moral failures is a member of the John Birch Society.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    So you admit that you are a Bircher? Well, at least you are now in the Bircher voting bloc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    If the process is too complicated, it's not just because our world is more complex, or that freshmen legislators are inexperienced. Lobbyists helped set it up that way, and it benefits them, because money and special interests run our political machinery.
    Except it's not just us. Everyone has to deal with the problem. The other solution that societies have come up with are technocratic bureaucracies which ALSO have their own interests and which are in many ways even harder to hold accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Well, at least you are now in the Bircher voting bloc.
    You mean New Yorker Jewish academics?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    What, playing on stereotypes now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Because there's outrage only when it's a right-wing group "buying" influence.
    Right-wing groups buy influence that ends up brutalizing people. When there's left-wing Stalinist groups buying brutality from US legislators, I'll make a thread, too. As long as there are anti-Stalinist US media hounds that post the story online, natch.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    No way man, because we know that a) the US media is composed of leftist extremists, and b) we know that they're trying to pull a coup d'etat on righteous Americans.

    So, you see, there actually ARE Stalinist cabals in the US manipulating politics, it's just that we don't know about them because of the media conspiracy. Thank God somebody is selflessly pouring money into pushing the country rightward, so we have somebody countering those commie bastards!

    Like I said, John Birch Society. I didn't really know they were taking New York Jews now, but I guess one doesn't actually need to be issued a membership card to espouse policies. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

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    In a country where corporations are treated legally as citizens and money is equal to political speech, the prison system should not be private, for-profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Commie.
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