Deadbeat Mom Sues for Child Support

[Nessus]

Well, it's as relevant an argument/question as ever, if you're looking for a silver lining.

That wasn't the reference I was making, but good game.

[Loki]

At least in the case of welfare, why exactly shouldn't a society want to provide for its own members first?

Actually, now I'm curious. Do corporations (and visible corporate figures) donate more to local (let's say limited to the national level) charities than they do to foreign ones?

Because "member of society" is defined in ethnic or religious terms, and not in terms of nationality. People are equally loathe to give welfare to someone who looks different to them whether they just entered the country or had ancestors that entered it a century ago.

A vast majority of charities are local, so I would imagine so...

Yes, the same ten Swedes never mind that Sweden's elected officials have for several decades been letting hordes of darkies into the country. No-one's going to pretend that racism and xenophobia don't exist in Sweden but let's have some intellectual honesty eh.

Are you confusing your government with your people? You have a far-right party in your parliament, and support for welfare has decreased at roughly the same rate as the number of immigrants in Sweden increased (and your far-right party at least doubled its share of the national vote in each election since 1998). I wonder if the two are related.

[Nessus]

Because "member of society" is defined in ethnic or religious terms, and not in terms of nationality. People are equally loathe to give welfare to someone who looks different to them whether they just entered the country or had ancestors that entered it a century ago.

Yeah?

A vast majority of charities are local, so I would imagine so...

Imagining isn't knowing!

[GGT]

At least in the case of welfare, why exactly shouldn't a society want to provide for its own members first?

Actually, now I'm curious. Do corporations (and visible corporate figures) donate more to local (let's say limited to the national level) charities than they do to foreign ones?

No no no, I meant that supporting your parents in various ways is the norm. I didn't notice you'd specified financial support. The elderly rely on their pensions and on govt. assistance for that. It's easier when you don't have to pay for healthcare

Earth Joker and I had a tangent on caring for elder family members. Plus elders supporting their kids. Intergenerational "support". In the, uh, well I can't recall the thread right now. Maybe it was about the Euro? I do think the cultural / social expectations make a big difference. National Health Care and pensions in Europe at least give families more choices or options; whether to let granny age in place with professional help, have her move in with extended family (and still receive professional visiting help), or move to a decent group or long-term facility (without the horror stories of urine-soaked beds, septic bed sores, abusive care-takers, or slowly starving to death because no one notices the meals aren't eaten by those tied in soft restraints).

As far as I know, there are no legal requirements for parents to care for adult children, and none for adult children to take care of their parents. But maybe it depends on the state? There are complicated legal precedents, though. Like estates being used primarily for care before given to an heir. That can mean nothing more than "making granny look broke" before she can get into a decent facility where her SS, SSDI, Medicare and/or Medicaid can pay $30,000/month for her care, without tapping into assets left to her heirs. One of the so-called 'protections' is that no one should be forced to sell their primary home in order to qualify for long-term care using government assistance. But that's not really true.

Anywho, if there's any data showing corporations donation ratios (local vs foreign) it'd be on their web sites, I suppose. Gates was mentioned for his philanthropies in other countries, but he also practically built Seattle, Washington's public transit system, museums, and donated heavily to public education. Well, Microsoft money anyway. Detroit, Michigan once had tons of donations from GM and Ford. Schools, libraries, community centers, hospital wings and research centers. During their hey days, tons of Michigan cities benefited from their corporate largesse and donations. Including jobs training centers and trade colleges, and hefty endowments to public K-12 schools. (When the auto industry tanked, do did those communities.)

[Aimless]

Are you confusing your government with your people? You have a far-right party in your parliament, and support for welfare has decreased at roughly the same rate as the number of immigrants in Sweden increased (and your far-right party at least doubled its share of the national vote in each election since 1998).

Yeah my point is that for several decades the same white people have supported both welfare and darkies and they have been (still are ) in the majority. Pay attention Loki.