Anyone mentioned CP, CPA or AP classes yet? That's a huge "scheme" around my parts. Our high school has CP and CPA classes, but only recently added a couple of AP classes. Mostly math or science. If kids want to "pursue" AP classes, they have to sign up and pay for classes in other districts. Or take college courses at our state university extensions, while in HS. Totally crap politics of education, as far as I'm concerned.
And for a new direction about collegiate schemes, unrelated to text books or AP classes.....I think the US relationship between sports and academics has gone way past its useful purpose. Not that it's a "Ponzi Scheme" but a crappy scheme. Am I correct that the US is the only developed nation that has such a close (financial) relationship between sports and academics?
Shocker. Heaven forbid people pay more to get a higher quality education. As a student of several AP classes myself, they were definitely worth the small-moderate test fee (which largely went to running the organization, I believe). The entire program relies on students attempting to complete college level courses while in high school. Its not aimed for the general HS student, especially those looking into trade schools or other work. To have them take the course at a local community college is perfectly normal, if not optimal. I don't see any "crap politics" at all.Originally Posted by GGT
Anyone mentioned CP, CPA or AP classes yet? That's a huge "scheme" around my parts. Our high school has CP and CPA classes, but only recently added a couple of AP classes. Mostly math or science. If kids want to "pursue" AP classes, they have to sign up and pay for classes in other districts. Or take college courses at our state university extensions, while in HS. Totally crap politics of education, as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, I didn't have to pay for my AP classes or tests. But that was 1998I think our particular district used to eat the cost as long as you got a certain score on the tests..? I'm sure it's changed by now though....
I didn't pay for any of my AP tests or classes either, in fact the teachers got bonuses if we scored high enough. Didn't have to pay for the dual enrollment classes either.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I never did DE, but I do think my school ate part of the testing costs as well. The IB tests I recall being much costlier, but perhaps there wasn't a system for the school to assist students in place yet. They're still working on fully implementing the program.
You forgot IB! That's really odd. My high school offers over thirty AP courses, if not more. All of them cover a wide variety of subjects. I'm surprised your county limits itself to math and science. The budget may possibly be too strained for them to heavily invest in training teachers/hiring teachers?Anyone mentioned CP, CPA or AP classes yet? That's a huge "scheme" around my parts. Our high school has CP and CPA classes, but only recently added a couple of AP classes. Mostly math or science. If kids want to "pursue" AP classes, they have to sign up and pay for classes in other districts. Or take college courses at our state university extensions, while in HS. Totally crap politics of education, as far as I'm concerned.
Many Asiatic nations disregard your athletic or extracurricular achievements because they admit students solely based on how well they perform on the entrance exam and in school. There has been a recent shift in a few nations where they begin looking at the whole shebang.
We had to pay for our AP scores one year, but an enormous backlash came in the form of angry parents, angry students, and angry activists. They refunded our money for all the exams and paid for us. We had to pay 90 dollars per exam. I paid 360 dollars in total junior year, lmao. In retrospect, 360 dollars is a drop in the vast ocean since I earned the college credit, which probably saved me tens of thousands of dollars (I enrolled in twelve APs by the end of my high school career).Actually, I didn't have to pay for my AP classes or tests. But that was 1998
I also seem to recall paying something like 60-80 dollars to take each AP exam. And yeah, that was cheap compared to the cost of the additional college classes to satisfy gen-ed requirements that were waived in light of the scores.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
The more I'm reading about this "pay here, pay there" - the greater my impression grows that the education system of the US is pretty fucked up.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
All the way down to the beginning, to the point that Sesame Street feels they need to start including skits that involve math and science because our children are so far behind the curve.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 09-28-2011 at 08:48 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Hey, I actually like the new Sesame Street formatBut, I get your point.
I love the socialist assumptions that because the student doesn't pay for the education, the education must be free.
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Good evening, I am Loki, and I have just totally missed the point. Besides reading stuff into posts which is not there.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
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In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
That's how I remember it too.
I don't know, seems you are jumping to your own assumption based on information that hasn't been provided.
What I got from that statement was that the current setup in America makes it easy to fall into a nickel-and-diming scheme that favors profits over quality education and long term advancement of the payees. Since individual students appear to be much easier to take advantage of when it comes to new fees, hikes, unexpected costs, etc.
Now if you have any information that shows that a college education in socialistwhereeverstan costs society the same, or more (I'm especially interested in crippling personal bankruptcy-exempt debt), after controlling for quality, long term results, and immediate location, then by all means, continue.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
http://www.topuniversities.com/unive...-rankings/2011
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=804
Compare the percentages.
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It's funny 'cause the College Board, where the fees go, makes a profit. In 2006 they made a cool 55 million in profits
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A private company makes a profit? God forbid.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Board#Criticism
It's even more funny because they get grants from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
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Thats not controlling for the factors...(not to mention QS' controversial methods of putting almost half their score weight on peer review).
and you're comparing top tier colleges here, where initial sticker-shock is among the least of one's concerns (thus not needing to be artificially lowered). Do you not see how this would differ from the majority of US colleges?
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 09-28-2011 at 11:27 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Except that it claims to be a not-for-profit organization. A 10% net gain is something a lot of for-profit companies would murder for...
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I mean, they have a what I assume is a government mandated monopoly since it's college board's curriculum and their exam.
No, it's not government mandated.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
It's not. Dude, they dominate the entire scholastic market. The IB program is a lot better, but hardly any schools use it. Or not many do anyways.
The government doesn't require anyone to take the SAT; nor does it require colleges to only look at the SAT.
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But any decent institution does. Even shitty institutions require you at least take them and report the result. But I was talking about AP Scores, not SATs or SAT IIs.
That doesn't make them government-sanctioned.
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Everything has to get paid for some way or other. The equivalent tests would not be/are not free in your system, someone or something else just absorbs the cost. The same way many school districts here do, rather than have individual families do so. In my district, it actually made sense for the families to pay for 'em, there are a lot of people taking the supposed AP classes who didn't take the tests, and similarly people who would take AP tests for which an AP class was not offered *my school didn't offer AP history because the qualified teachers hated wasting so much time teaching to the test, for instance, but I and several others took it anyway* and there isn't really a good interface for the district to budget for the test fees other than interest in an AP course.
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