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    Female suicide bombers again. A pattern. It's simply not accepted in Russia to consider females as suspicious... not that it matters. There's no security except the rare occasional police (militsia) officer. Not that that matters either.

    MOSCOW — Two female suicide bombers blew themselves up on Moscow's subway system as it was jam-packed with rush-hour passengers Monday, killing at least 35 people and wounding more than 30, the city's mayor and other officials said.
    Emergency Ministry spokeswoman Svetlana Chumikova said 23 people were killed at the Lubyanka station in central Moscow. The station is underneath the building that houses the main offices of the Federal Security Service, or FSB, the KGB's main successor agency.
    A second explosion hit the Park Kultury station about 45 minutes later. Chumikova said at least 12 were dead there.
    Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov said both explosions were believed to have been set off by female suicide bombers as the trains entered the stations. In the first case, officials said the explosion was on the train; there was no immediate information on the location of the second blast.
    "The first data that the FSB has given us is that there were two female suicide bombers," Luzhkov told reporters at the Park Kultury site.
    Russia's top investigative body also said terrorism was suspected.
    The last confirmed terrorist attack in Moscow was in August 2004, when a suicide bomber blew herself up outside a city subway station, killing 10 people.
    Responsibility for that blast was claimed by Chechen rebels and suspicion in Monday's explosions is likely to focus on them and other separatist groups in the restive North Caucasus region.
    The Moscow subway system is one of the world's busiest, carrying around 7 million passengers on an average workday, and is a key element in running the sprawling and traffic-choked city.
    The blasts practically paralyzed movement in the city center as emergency vehicles sped to the stations. Helicopters hovered over the Park Kultury station area, which is near the renowned Gorky Park.
    Passengers, many of them in tears, streamed out of the station, one man exclaiming over and over "This is how we live!"
    At least a dozen ambulances were on the scene.

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    I'm really surprised something like that can happen in Russia. Security in Istanbul (which I think is at a slightly lower risk) is relatively strict.
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    Female suicide bombers set off huge explosions during rush hour Monday morning in two subway stations in central Moscow, officials said, killing at least 35 people and raising fears that the Muslim insurgency in southern Russia was once again being brought to the country’s heart.

    Firefighters and Interior Ministry officers working near the entrance of the Lubyanka metro station after an explosion during rush hour in Moscow on Monday. More Photos »

    The first attack occurred as commuters were exiting a packed train at the Lubyanka station, which is located near the headquarters of the F.S.B., the successor to the Soviet-era K.G.B. Officials said they suspected that the attack there was intended as a message to the security services, which have helped lead the crackdown on Islamic extremism in Chechnya and other parts of the Caucasus region in southern Russia.

    The two explosions spread panic throughout the capital as people searched for missing relatives and friends, and the authorities tried to determine whether more attacks were planned. The subway system, known as the Metro, is one of the world’s most extensive and well-managed, and it serves as a vital artery for Moscow’s commuters, carrying as many as 10 million people a day.

    “The terrorist acts were carried out by two female terrorist bombers,” said Moscow’s mayor, Yuri M. Luzhkov. “They happened at a time when there would be the maximum number of victims.”

    Mr. Luzhkov said 23 people were killed in the first explosion, at the Lubyanka station, and 12 people were killed 40 minutes later in a blast at the Park Kultury station. Dozens were injured.

    No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attacks.

    Photos taken after the attacks showed scenes of devastation, with bodies strewn across subway cars and station platforms.

    Pavel Y. Novikov, 25, an electrician, said he was evacuated from the Park Kultury station about 15 minutes after the explosion.

    “It smelled like a burned rubber,” he said. “I saw blood, and I saw bloody clothes on the ground. It was so horrible.”

    Kirill Gribov, 20, a university student, said he was on a train that arrived at the Park Kultury station just as the suicide bomber detonated her explosive belt on the train across the platform.

    “The explosion was so loud that we all were deafened,” Mr. Gribov said. “Then I remember a cloud of gas coming from the blown train in front of us, colored in pink, maybe because of blood. Some people were in panic, some stood still, but all of us somehow found our way outside the station. It was only at the street when I realized what had just happened. Mobile service was blocked, I couldn’t even call my parents, and I had to walk several kilometers because of the traffic.”

    President Dmitri A. Medvedev was briefed on the blasts by top law enforcement and security advisers. “Russia will fight terrorism without hesitation and to the end,” he said.

    Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, who was traveling in Siberia, was also helping to coordinate the federal response.

    In the early part of the last decade, the subway system was subjected to several attacks related to the separatist war in Chechnya. With the explosions on Monday, Muscovites expressed renewed concerns that they might again be targeted.

    Officials said the first explosion on Monday occurred at 7:50 a.m. in second car of a train at the Lubyanka station, killing people both on the platform and inside the train.

    The authorities closed off the station and the surrounding Lubyanka Square, formerly the site of the notorious Lubyanka prison, which was connected to the headquarters of the K.G.B.

    About 40 minutes later the second attack took place, in the third car of a train at the Park Kultury station, officials said.

    Yuri Syomin, the Moscow city prosecutor, said investigators believe that both explosions were set off by female suicide bombers wearing belts packed with explosives.

    Crowds of people rushed to both stations in an effort to locate relatives, and cell phone networks became overloaded. The streets in central Moscow were blocked with traffic as people avoided the subway system.

    The attacks marked the second major upsurge in terrorism on the transportation system over the last year. In November 2009, a bomb in a rural area derailed a luxury train traveling from Moscow to St. Petersburg, killing 26 people. The authorities have linked the attack to Muslim insurgents in the Ingushetia region, which is near Chechnya.

    In February, a Chechen rebel leader, Doku Umarov, threatened in an interview on a Web site to organize terror acts in Russian population centers.

    “If Russians think that the war is happening only on television, far from the Caucasus, and it will not touch them, then we are going to show them that this war will return to their homes,” he said.

    The Russian government has sought to suppress violent Muslim extremism in the south since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

    Two brutal wars in Chechnya and a guerrilla insurgency gave rise to numerous bombings and acts of terror in southern Russia throughout the 1990s. Starting in 2002, Chechen separatists then began to export their bombing campaign to Moscow.

    That October, a group of Chechen terrorists stormed into a Moscow theater during a performance and took some 850 actors, musicians and theatergoers hostage. After 57 hours of negotiations, Russian special forces launched an assault, killing all the militants and 117 of the hostages.

    About 20 of the militants involved the theater siege were women, and several were wearing explosive vests. The following year, Chechen tacticians began using female suicide bombers in Moscow.

    The first of those attacks came in July 2003, when the Russian authorities said a Chechen woman exploded a suicide belt at a rock concert, killing more than a dozen people. In what was to have been a coordinated attack, the police said, another woman’s explosives failed to detonate nearby.

    In December 2003, a woman bomber blew herself up in central Moscow, killing six people and injuring dozens. She was identified as the widow of a Chechen guerrilla commander, and the female bombers soon came to be known in Russia as the “black widows.”

    In September 2004, a suicide bomber killed at least 9 other people and wounded more than 50 outside the Rizhskaya subway stop. In February of that same year, a woman carrying a bomb destroyed another subway car, killing at least 41 people as the train moved between the Paveletskaya and the Avtozavodskaya stations at one of the busiest times of the day.
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    The New York Times article is a bit more thorough; I was just coming to post it.
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    Interestingly enough they didn't stop the metro; according to a dutch correspondent it was running more or less normal.
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    There's no security. The only officials one usually sees are the people in the ticket counter. And they wouldn't suspect a female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Interestingly enough they didn't stop the metro; according to a dutch correspondent it was running more or less normal.
    We should expand on this.
    I don't think I have a problem with this. Its possible the biggest immediate thing the government/metro could do to give the terrorists the finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    We should expand on this.
    I don't think I have a problem with this. Its possible the biggest immediate thing the government/metro could do to give the terrorists the finger.
    Too bad the second blast was 45 minutes after the first, which means if the trains were shut down, there would be less of an opportunity to have more than one attack. The reason you lock down isn't because you feel sad over what happened but to enable you to take additional security precautions.
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    I think I am with Loki on this. Especially because double attacks seem to be a common pattern. After an attack everyone should be alarmed immediately.
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    Alarmed? Obviously. Additional security? Of course.
    I don't see how these two however mean daily life has to be halted, thus playing into what the terrorist hoped to achieve.

    Do you think the 2nd attack wouldn't have happened if the metro was shut down? You don't think the crowd that would have gathered to see when/why/what, wouldn't have been targetted?

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    Clearly the goal of the terrorist group is to shut down the train system in Moscow for a few hours. This whole "the terrorist would have won" argument is stupid. Terrorists aren't just trying to make life uncomfortable for people. Believe it or not, they actually have concrete political goals. Those goals aren't really furthered if the train system is shut down for a few hours.
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    Well, actually, since the whole point of terrorism is to exert political pressure by using violence, their goals are furthered by making people uncomfortable. Though obviously you need to balance that with the need for security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Well, actually, since the whole point of terrorism is to exert political pressure by using violence, their goals are furthered by making people uncomfortable. Though obviously you need to balance that with the need for security.
    I'm pretty sure the people are equally uncomfortable if 50 people are blown up and trains are stopped for 2 hours or if 50 people are blown up and trains are not stopped for 2 hours. The terrorists were trying to show that Russians can't enjoy their regular lives as long as Chechens (or whoever) can't enjoy theirs. This was done by killing dozens of civilians on trains. I highly doubt they care whether that leads to a temporary shutdown of the train system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I'm pretty sure the people are equally uncomfortable if 50 people are blown up and trains are stopped for 2 hours or if 50 people are blown up and trains are not stopped for 2 hours. The terrorists were trying to show that Russians can't enjoy their regular lives as long as Chechens (or whoever) can't enjoy theirs. This was done by killing dozens of civilians on trains. I highly doubt they care whether that leads to a temporary shutdown of the train system.
    Thus why stop the trains? Doesn't matter either way.

    Just using your own logic, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Thus why stop the trains? Doesn't matter either way.

    Just using your own logic, dude.
    To stop a potential second attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    To stop a potential second attack.
    Right. So, stopping the Metro hinders a terrorist from blowing himself up in a throng of people exactly how?
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    http://www.lifenews.ru/gallery/1619
    Image 12 shows the crowds that gather when you shut down a service like this. Now picture bomber #2 being in this crowd. The death total would be way over the 38ish people so far. The last few pictures get kind of bloody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    http://www.lifenews.ru/gallery/1619
    Image 12 shows the crowds that gather when you shut down a service like this. Now picture bomber #2 being in this crowd. The death total would be way over the 38ish people so far. The last few pictures get kind of bloody.
    Roughly how the Bali bombers did it. Also a tactic in Israel for a while. Explode a device, then wait for emergency services and blow them up too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Right. So, stopping the Metro hinders a terrorist from blowing himself up in a throng of people exactly how?
    What stopped them from blowing themselves up in a throng of people to start with? Clearly they wanted to target trains for a reason...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    What stopped them from blowing themselves up in a throng of people to start with? Clearly they wanted to target trains for a reason...
    And what's to say they didn't just blew up the trains because they knew there would be a lot of people on them? I think you might be assuming too much about the terrorists, Loki, which leads me to believe you are somehow involved. A paddy wagon is now on its way to your house.

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    Choo, choo?

    Edit: Hmm, that was actually a response to the above comment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Roughly how the Bali bombers did it. Also a tactic in Israel for a while. Explode a device, then wait for emergency services and blow them up too.
    They do that just about everywhere. Iraq and Afghanistan too.
    Last edited by agamemnus; 03-30-2010 at 02:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Clearly the goal of the terrorist group is to shut down the train system in Moscow for a few hours. This whole "the terrorist would have won" argument is stupid. Terrorists aren't just trying to make life uncomfortable for people. Believe it or not, they actually have concrete political goals. Those goals aren't really furthered if the train system is shut down for a few hours.
    Won? Won what? A headline perhaps? That's stupid.
    Stopping trains for a few hours... what a stupid reason to give your life...
    They would be more annoying if they could buy a car and they could drive to slow down traffic in a traffic jam.
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    Loki is arguing with himself. Don't get in the middle of it...

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    Time for Russia to crack some more Muslim terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Too bad the second blast was 45 minutes after the first, which means if the trains were shut down, there would be less of an opportunity to have more than one attack. The reason you lock down isn't because you feel sad over what happened but to enable you to take additional security precautions.
    It's not like single human lives are worth anything in Russia (in the eyes of authority); this is, however, a great avenue for them to make a big propaganda event and execute a bunch of somebodies for this. They've made big noises in the press about hurf durf machismo we will kill every terrorist ever because we are Russia, guilt won't necessarily even get into it anymore, if it ever does in Russia. The gub'ment's response may have started out as ineptness, but they certainly seized on the opportunity after the dust and body-bits settled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    It's not like single human lives are worth anything in Russia (in the eyes of authority); this is, however, a great avenue for them to make a big propaganda event and execute a bunch of somebodies for this. They've made big noises in the press about hurf durf machismo we will kill every terrorist ever because we are Russia, guilt won't necessarily even get into it anymore, if it ever does in Russia. The gub'ment's response may have started out as ineptness, but they certainly seized on the opportunity after the dust and body-bits settled.
    They've always shown their inability to protect the public, despite them using security as the excuse to end democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They've always shown their inability to protect the public, despite them using security as the excuse to end democracy.
    Hello? That's what I'm saying; they don't give two shits about Johnny Q Public, and the funny thing is, Johnny Q. doesn't give a shit about Denny Q. either. Democracy is a fore-gone conclusion when no one wants it.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Hello? That's what I'm saying; they don't give two shits about Johnny Q Public, and the funny thing is, Johnny Q. doesn't give a shit about Denny Q. either. Democracy is a fore-gone conclusion when no one wants it.
    They do need to be legitimate in the eyes of the public. Their claims to legitimacy are based on providing security and economic growth. If they can't carry out these tasks, they will eventually be toppled by someone who can (likely an insider).
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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    Loki is arguing with himself. Don't get in the middle of it...
    That actually made me snort. Or chortle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    They do need to be legitimate in the eyes of the public. Their claims to legitimacy are based on providing security and economic growth. If they can't carry out these tasks, they will eventually be toppled by someone who can (likely an insider).
    Do you really think there's any chance of Putin and his hand-puppets being toppled anytime soon? They have wide-spread popular support, shit the man's almost as popular as Stalin
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Do you really think there's any chance of Putin and his hand-puppets being toppled anytime soon? They have wide-spread popular support, shit the man's almost as popular as Stalin
    Anytime soon? No. But if these kind of attacks become the norm (and not just in the northern Caucasus, which apparently had several hundred terrorist attacks in 2009), then Putin's approval ratings will plummet, and that will provide some other official with the leverage to topple him.
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