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    Default Obama Care in Florida

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,5593120.story

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    MOUNT DORA — A doctor who considers the national health-care overhaul to be bad medicine for the country posted a sign on his office door telling patients who voted for President Barack Obama to seek care "elsewhere."

    "I'm not turning anybody away — that would be unethical," Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican opposed to the health plan, told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. "But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it."

    The sign reads: "If you voted for Obama … seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years."

    Estella Chatman, 67, of Eustis, whose daughter snapped a photo of the typewritten sign, sent the picture to U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, the Orlando Democrat who riled Republicans last year when he characterized the GOP's idea of health care as, "If you get sick, America … Die quickly."

    Chatman said she heard about the sign from a friend referred to Cassell after his physician recently died. She said her friend did not want to speak to a reporter but was dismayed by Cassell's sign.

    "He's going to find another doctor," she said.

    Cassell may be walking a thin line between his right to free speech and his professional obligation, said William Allen, professor of bioethics, law and medical professionalism at the University of Florida's College of Medicine.

    Allen said doctors cannot refuse patients on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or disability, but political preference is not one of the legally protected categories specified in civil-rights law. By insisting he does not quiz his patients about their politics and has not turned away patients based on their vote, the doctor is "trying to hold onto the nub of his ethical obligation," Allen said.

    "But this is pushing the limit," he said.

    Cassell, who has practiced medicine in GOP-dominated Lake County since 1988, said he doesn't quiz his patients about their politics, but he also won't hide his disdain for the bill Obama signed and the lawmakers who passed it.

    In his waiting room, Cassell also has provided his patients with photocopies of a health-care timeline produced by Republican leaders that outlines "major provisions" in the health-care package. The doctor put a sign above the stack of copies that reads: "This is what the morons in Washington have done to your health care. Take one, read it and vote out anyone who voted for it."

    Cassell, whose lawyer wife, Leslie Campione, has declared herself a Republican candidate for Lake County commissioner, said three patients have complained, but most have been "overwhelmingly supportive" of his position.

    "They know it's not good for them," he said.

    Cassell, who previously served as chief of surgery at Florida Hospital Waterman in Tavares, said a patient's politics would not affect his care for them, although he said he would prefer not to treat people who support the president.

    "I can at least make a point," he said.

    The notice on Cassell's office door could cause some patients to question his judgment or fret about the care they might receive if they don't share his political views, Allen said. He said doctors are wise to avoid public expressions that can affect the physician-patient relationship.

    Erin VanSickle, spokeswoman for the Florida Medical Association, would not comment specifically.

    But she noted in an e-mail to the Sentinel that "physicians are extended the same rights to free speech as every other citizen in the United States."

    The outspoken Grayson described Cassell's sign as "ridiculous."

    "I'm disgusted," he said. "Maybe he thinks the Hippocratic Oath says, ‘Do no good.' If this is the face of the right wing in America, it's the face of cruelty. … Why don't they change the name of the Republican Party to the Sore Loser Party?"

    Stephen Hudak can be reached at shudak@orlandosentinel.com or 352-742-5930.

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    Heh. For some reason I found this amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Heh. For some reason I found this amusing.
    Of course you did.

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    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.c...for-insurance/

    September 14, 2009, 12:01 PM
    How Much Should Older Americans Pay for Insurance?
    By MICHELLE ANDREWS
    Should older people pay more for health insurance than younger people, and if so, how much more?

    The issue has long been on the radar of health policy analysts and consumer advocates weighing the fairness and affordability of health care costs. But it’s likely to receive more scrutiny now. The health reform “framework” put forward by the Senate Finance Committee’s chairman, Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, proposed a new standard that would permit older people to be charged significantly higher premiums than would be the case under any of the other health care reform bills.

    Under Senator Baucus’s plan, insurers would be permitted to charge older people five times more for their health insurance premiums than younger people. That proposal, first circulated in a Finance Committee policy options paper last spring, is a significant departure from the approaches put forth by three House committees and the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. Those bills would only allow insurers to charge older people twice as much as younger ones.

    “A lot turns on whether it’s a 5:1 ratio or a 2:1 ratio,” said Drew Altman, president and C.E.O. of the Kaiser Family Foundation. “It makes a big difference as to whether a 55-year-old worker will be able to afford health insurance.”

    According to AARP, the lobbying organization for older Americans, the number of uninsured adults between 50 and 64 grew to 7.1 million in 2007, an increase of 36 percent over 2000. Among the main reasons for the increase: higher premiums demanded of older, sicker people seeking coverage in the individual insurance market.

    Currently, people who get health insurance through their employer generally can’t be charged higher premiums because of their age. But in the individual insurance market, “age-rating,” as it’s called, is common, and only eight states place limits on how much more insurers can charge older people, according to a report by the National Women’s Law Center. In all other states, insurers can — and do — charge older policyholders more, though insurance industry representatives say they can’t pinpoint exactly how much more on average.

    The proposals under consideration in Congress would apply to individuals and small businesses that bought coverage through the proposed health insurance exchanges, where insurance companies would offer a variety of plans.

    The rationale for charging older people more is simple. Older people typically have higher health care costs, so they are riskier and thus more expensive to insure. A typical person aged 18 to 24 incurs $1,441 in annual health care expenses, according to Kaiser Family Foundation research. The annual tally for someone between 45 and 64 is more than three times that: $4,863.

    But some health policy experts argue that allowing insurers to charge older people five times more than younger ones would be a giveaway to the insurance industry, which already stands to benefit handsomely from millions of new customers if, as proposed, everyone is required to have insurance.

    Proposed health care legislation would forbid insurers from charging sick people more or rejecting them outright. But by allowing insurers to charge so much more for older, often sicker people, “You’re just using age as a proxy for health status,” said Uwe Reinhardt, an economics professor at Princeton University. He estimates that Senator Baucus’s age-rating plan would allow insurers to cover roughly 70 percent of the additional risk they’d take on by being required to accept all comers, regardless of health.

    Not surprisingly, the insurance industry begs to differ. Noting that in addition to higher health care costs, older people also tend to have higher incomes, Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, said, “Our goal is to make coverage as affordable as possible for as many people as possible.” He said that tax credits should be made available to help those who couldn’t afford premiums.

    Beyond the question of affordability is one of philosophy. Without special rules, everyone agrees that younger people, who are generally more healthy than their elders, would end up shouldering a disproportionate share of health care costs. But maybe that’s exactly what they should do, some argue, knowing that when they get older they’ll benefit from that arrangement.

    Dr. Reinhardt, for one, thinks this attitude is unlikely to take hold. “Americans are basically just a group of people sharing the same geography,” he said. “We don’t have a sense of social solidarity.”
    Pre-dates the new bill, but sounds like Lewk's FL physician. That man most likely sees a lot of Medicare seniors (prostate problems, urinary incontinence) and is already worried his profit margin might be cut. Last I checked, doctors in FL had a pretty nice standard of living. Including ones that mainly treat seniors on Medicare.

    There is other news of MA insurance commissioner denying requests to raise premiums greater than the 5% medical inflation rate. First time since 1977 they've done that, instead of rubber-stamping the industry's rate hikes every time they asked. No wonder MA's care costs 55% higher than the national average.

    Bottom line, though, is the bolded last sentence. Until we all read from the same page about the PURPOSE of universal care, it's gonna be a long slog.

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    I've actually heard pretty terrible things about the quality of doctors in Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I've actually heard pretty terrible things about the quality of doctors in Florida.
    I "hear" lots of things, too. My anecdote is that FL docs in general have nice homes, cars, and boats. That says squat about the level of quality care they provide, just that they have good incomes.

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    Kind of hard to judge a doctor based on the state he is in... but whatever.

    This isn't a particularly serious article just found it amusing. I suspect we will see more doctors cut medicare patients unless more doctor fixes go in. There will of course always be those doctors who choose to keep seeing their patients or just out of the goodness of their hearts. Of course financial incentives are what make the world go round so it is not a question of if but of when the seniors get the short stick.

    All assuming of course Democrats are actually serious about keeping all the medicare cuts. More then likely medicare fixes will go in and the deficit be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Kind of hard to judge a doctor based on the state he is in... but whatever.

    This isn't a particularly serious article just found it amusing. I suspect we will see more doctors cut medicare patients unless more doctor fixes go in. There will of course always be those doctors who choose to keep seeing their patients or just out of the goodness of their hearts. Of course financial incentives are what make the world go round so it is not a question of if but of when the seniors get the short stick.

    All assuming of course Democrats are actually serious about keeping all the medicare cuts. More then likely medicare fixes will go in and the deficit be damned.
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    You found it amusing, because you don't understand the seriousness or magnitude. It's not a Democrat or Republican issue, you ass hole, it's a national issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    It's not a Democrat or Republican issue, you ass hole, it's a national issue.
    Damn straight. And the issue is who the fuck are you (or the politicians in Washington whom I wouldn't trust to wipe my ass) to dictate who is obligated to work for no compensation, to interfere in my relationship with my medical professionals and/or dictate that I must buy a commercial product or service?

    If the biological fact that people get sick and die bothers you so much, you go to medical school and treat them all for free. Or donate all your money to pay for their treatment. But you don't have the fucking right to spend my money so you can feel better, until I get the right to dictate that every hot woman should should be obliged to fuck my brains out with no strings attached. One dick - no waiting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Damn straight. And the issue is who the fuck are you (or the politicians in Washington whom I wouldn't trust to wipe my ass) to dictate who is obligated to work for no compensation, to interfere in my relationship with my medical professionals and/or dictate that I must buy a commercial product or service?

    If the biological fact that people get sick and die bothers you so much, you go to medical school and treat them all for free. Or donate all your money to pay for their treatment. But you don't have the fucking right to spend my money so you can feel better, until I get the right to dictate that every hot woman should should be obliged to fuck my brains out with no strings attached. One dick - no waiting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Yeah, we don't have the right to make you pay taxes.
    Yeah, it's not like America was created and founded over a taxation dispute or anything, is it?
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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