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    Default Here's an idea...

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ying-wikileaks

    How about you don't do treason? Though this part really irks me...

    "Though the soldier has been granted access to hormones as part of her transition, she has been forced to wear her hair at standard military length for male soldiers. She is fighting a legal battle over that requirement with the help of the ACLU."

    A: Why have taxpayers pay for obviously optional substances? 'She' can call herself a she all she wants but we're under no obligation to pay for it.

    B: Oh boo fucking hoo you can't grow your hair long? Are you fucking serious? We got cancer patients who lose their hair and it doesn't make them any less a woman you vain shallow treasonous waste of space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    A: Why have taxpayers pay for obviously optional substances? 'She' can call herself a she all she wants but we're under no obligation to pay for it.
    From your perspective you're under no obligation to provide food, shelter and emergency medical care either so I don't think we can use your standards to arrive at any meaningful conclusions about what is or is not right wrt the treatment of prisoners.

    B: Oh boo fucking hoo you can't grow your hair long? Are you fucking serious? We got cancer patients who lose their hair and it doesn't make them any less a woman you vain shallow treasonous waste of space.
    We have kids that are locked up, abused and sold into slavery. Does that mean that it's okay to discriminate against black people for being black?

    No. The question isn't whether or not hair-length makes someone more or less of a woman. The question in this case is whether or not someone is being treated, as far as regulations are concerned, like a man. It's in the text you quoted: "she has been forced to wear her hair at standard military length for male soldiers".

    She doesn't have cancer and she isn't undergoing any treatment that's supposed to make her have short hair. It's just an arbitrary and stupid decision by govt. authorities and to defend it by saying that people undergoing chemotherapy lose their hair is as dumb as saying that it's okay for the govt. to randomly kill people because so many people die from heart-attacks. The govt. is supposed to be more accountable than Lady Fortune.

    Why not change it to standard military length for female soldiers? Who would that hurt? Who would die from that concession?

    No-one. So stop being a dumbass about this. I understand how it might make you angry but I'm under no obligation to humor you.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    A: Why have taxpayers pay for obviously optional substances?
    Why have taxpayers pay for police protection that's focused more on harassing them and protecting the police than protecting the law-abiding tax-payers?
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    Actually the concession is an issue. When we make prisoners lives easier we lessen the deterrence effect. It is also about mocking a particularly vain person who clearly has some strange assumptions. Cutting your hair is not physical harm. You don't get a pass compared to everyone else because you like to think you're a special little snowflake. The rule exists - you can argue about weather it should or not but by no means should you cater to this treasonous trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Actually the concession is an issue. When we make prisoners lives easier we lessen the deterrence effect.
    That's stupid. The impact of this issue on people's inclination to break the law is so small that it cannot be measured. I'm calling shenanigans on your armchair criminology.

    It is also about mocking a particularly vain person who clearly has some strange assumptions. Cutting your hair is not physical harm. You don't get a pass compared to everyone else because you like to think you're a special little snowflake.
    No, this is 100% about you deliberately trying to be as much of a dick as you possibly can. You know it, we know it, so stop embarrassing yourself by trying to pretend otherwise. It wasn't me, he started it, I was just playing, I didn't see it there, I didn't mean to, I tripped and fell, I didn't eat the cupcakes this is actually just some doodoo, just stop. You're a grown man ffs, have some dignity.

    The rule exists - you can argue about weather it should or not but by no means should you cater to this treasonous trash.
    If you recognize the validity of her gender identity, to the point of offering her treatment, then there is no defensible reason for treating her as a dude in other arbitrary ways. There is also no defensible reason for other forms of unnecessary mistreatment, if such has occurred. Douchebaggery, plain and simple.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Why have taxpayers pay for police protection that's focused more on harassing them and protecting the police than protecting the law-abiding tax-payers?
    Completely irrelevant.

    This guy is nothing but an attention whore. Probably would rather keep his dick if it wasn't for all the attention he gets from saying he doesn't want one (just like Bruce who still has one by the way). And criminals don't have the right to decide certain things for themselves. They don't get to decide what they eat or where they sleep or when they go outside or when they get to go to a different room...get it? They also shouldn't get to decide their gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Completely irrelevant.

    This guy is nothing but an attention whore. Probably would rather keep his dick if it wasn't for all the attention he gets from saying he doesn't want one (just like Bruce who still has one by the way). And criminals don't have the right to decide certain things for themselves. They don't get to decide what they eat or where they sleep or when they go outside or when they get to go to a different room...get it? They also shouldn't get to decide their gender.
    But they can decide to be Nazis or even Muslims though. Just not their gender. No matter if their perception of their gender predates their imprisonment by decades Go on, educate us some more why don't you.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    But they can decide to be Nazis or even Muslims though. Just not their gender. No matter if their perception of their gender predates their imprisonment by decades Go on, educate us some more why don't you.
    You see how changing your mind is not even remotely the same as changing your gender...of course you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    You see how changing your mind is not even remotely the same as changing your gender...of course you do.
    Don't get cute with me. You said they "shouldn't get to decide their gender" for themselves.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Don't get cute with me. You said they "shouldn't get to decide their gender" for themselves.
    And they didn't in the first place; mother nature took charge of that. Anyway, I am implying they "shouldn't get to decide what is to be done about it during their incarceration". I don't care if they want to be Nazi or Muslim or dickless.
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    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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