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    Texas city revives paddling as it takes a swat at misbehavior


    By Michael Birnbaum
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, April 16, 2010

    TEMPLE, TEX. -- In an era when students talk back to teachers, skip class and wear ever-more-risque clothing to school, one central Texas city has hit upon a deceptively simple solution: Bring back the paddle.

    Most school districts across the country banned paddling of students long ago. Texas sat that trend out. Nearly a quarter of the estimated 225,000 students who received corporal punishment nationwide in 2006, the latest figures available, were from the Lone Star State.

    But even by Texas standards, Temple is unusual. The city, a compact railroad hub of 60,000 people, banned the practice and then revived it at the demand of parents who longed for the orderly schools of yesteryear. Without paddling, "there were no consequences for kids," said Steve Wright, who runs a construction business and is Temple's school board president.

    Since paddling was brought back to the city's 14 schools by a unanimous board vote in May, behavior at Temple's single high school has changed dramatically, Wright said, even though only one student in the school system has been paddled.

    "The discipline problem is much better than it's been in years," Wright said, something he attributed to the new punishment and to other discipline programs schools are trying. Residents of the city's comfortable homes, most of which sport neighborly, worn chairs out front, praise the change.

    "There are times when maybe a good crack might not be a bad idea," said Robert Pippin, a custom home builder who sports a goatee and cowboy boots. His son graduated from Temple schools several years ago.

    Corporal punishment remains legal in 20 states, mostly in the South, but its use is diminishing. Ohio ended it last year, and a movement for a federal ban is afoot. A House subcommittee held a hearing on the practice Thursday, and its chairman, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), is gearing up for a push to end the practice once and for all. She plans to introduce legislation within weeks.

    "When you look that the federal government has outlawed physical punishment in prisons, I think the time has come that we should do it in schools," she said.

    A joint American Civil Liberties Union-Human Rights Watch report last year found that students with disabilities were disproportionately subjected to corporal punishment, sometimes in direct response to behavioral problems that were a result of their disabilities. Many educators and psychologists say that positive tools, such as giving praise for good behavior and withholding it for bad, are far more effective for discouraging misbehavior.

    Those techniques "encourage them to behave well in the future," said report author Alice Farmer. Paddling "makes students lose respect for their teachers."

    Rules about paddling vary from district to district, but typically only administrators, not teachers, can mete out the punishment, which is done in private. Usually, a long, flat wooden paddle is used to give as many as three blows across the student's clothed rear end, although Farmer found students who had been hit many more times. Boys are overwhelmingly the target.

    Not everybody in Texas is gung-ho about paddling. The practice has been banned in the state's big cities, and its use varies from campus to campus in districts that allow it.

    In Alvin, a formerly agricultural city of 23,000 that has been swallowed by Houston's suburbs in the past decade, the policy is on the books but not used in many schools.

    "I don't think it's that simple anymore," said Terry Constantine, who added that she hasn't swung a paddle in her 16 years as an elementary school principal there. "We look for our parents to work with us now."

    At Alvin High School, where the technique is used, Principal Kevon Wells said he had paddled students about six times this school year. If a student continued to misbehave, he said, he wouldn't do it again. "I'm not into beating kids," he said.

    But in Temple, a city just outside Fort Hood that shakes with the air horns of the trains that pass through its rail yards, many residents say they hope that the old-fashioned solution can address what they see as rising disrespect among youth. They say their discipline problems aren't different from those in any other school system in the country: students showing up late for class, or violating the dress code, or talking during lessons. Those habits were unheard of in the days when schoolteachers routinely swung a paddle, they say.

    "Back then, you wouldn't throw spitballs, because you were afraid of the consequences," said Darr Kuykendall, a worker for a plumbing supply company.

    "A lot of kids have tempers," said Abby Jones, a junior at Temple High School. "Those kids that would be paddled would think of it as a threat . . . and maybe would be better."

    Parents also pushed for the change because many paddle their children at home and wanted consistent discipline in the classroom, said John Hancock, assistant superintendent of administration for the Temple schools, who has been an educator for more than 40 years.

    "We're rural central Texas. We're very well educated, but still there are those core values. Churches are full on Sundays," Hancock said. "This is a tool we'd like in the toolbox for responding to discipline issues."

    Hancock, an urbane, sturdily built Colorado native who wears horn-rimmed glasses, said the school system had banned corporal punishment about six years ago because a state law change made what was permissible uncertain. Follow-up made clear that schools could paddle, he said.

    Since the policy was changed in May, the school system has paddled only one student, and that was at the request of his parent, Hancock said.

    Many districts, including Temple, which is nearly evenly divided among white, black and Hispanic students, require parental consent before the punishment is given. Temple also requires the student's consent, Hancock said, and the punishment is considered equivalent to an out-of-school suspension.

    Residents said restoring paddling is less about the punishment and more about the threat.

    "It's like speeding," said Bill Woodward, a graphic designer. "Are they going to give you a speeding ticket, or . . . a warning? I'd speed all day if I knew it was going to be a warning."

    Temple also requires the student's consent... ugh

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    Those techniques "encourage them to behave well in the future," said report author Alice Farmer. Paddling "makes students lose respect for their teachers."
    [Devils Advocate Mode] It begs the question: If the kids respected the teacher/school in the first place, would they need paddling to begin with? Respect does go both ways right? [/Mode off]

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    "We're rural central Texas. We're very well educated, but still there are those core values. Churches are full on Sundays," Hancock said. "This is a tool we'd like in the toolbox for responding to discipline issues."

    Oxymorons.

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    Public schools are so shitty that any parent enrolling their child in a public school should be charged with child abuse.
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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    But the cops and courts are gubment too!
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    I think the point about kids losing respect for teachers who do this is dead on. The only time you gain sympathy for your abuser is Stockholm syndrome.

    Though giving students the choice between a paddling and a suspension seems like a bit blah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Public schools are so shitty that any parent enrolling their child in a public school should be charged with child abuse.
    My kids are in excellent public schools. Far better than the private school I went to as a kid. Of course, it was a parochial school, so, as long as god was all over the curriculum and nobody brought guns to school, it was a good school.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

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    In the end all forms of pain are pain. Weather that is physical, mental or emotional. The key is to determine the right amount of pain that should be administered for the transgression. What is a more effective usage of harm to a child? Public shame by sitting in a corner, boredom by losing your lunch period, low grades which would potentially impact your future or a few swats in the rear. The advantage of corporal punishment is that it is immediate. Deterrents work best if they occur quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Deterrents work best if they occur quickly.
    Like shooting a fleeing burglar in the back huh?
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

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    All schools are good for is provoking underage sex....yummy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Public schools are so shitty that any parent enrolling their child in a public school should be charged with child abuse.
    I guess your high school career sucked ass.

    And since i'm a junior, i'll say why i personally and my friends don't respect teachers:

    A] Teachers who don't teach
    B] Stupid teachers who believe they're smart
    C] Sarcastic teachers
    D] Teachers who make their tests extreme hard just to ruin students (those cunts who didn't do well in school, became school teachers because they were dumbasses, and ended up taking out their anger on jockes (bullies) and "nerds" (the thing they couldn't become) and trust me, it's pretty blatant when teachers do that.
    E] Teachers who are too easy
    F] Teachers who lecture us about morals, they have no right.

    That's pretty much what my friends and I find wrong with teachers. I'll gladly take a "B+" (90-93%) in a course if the teacher was a good teacher, i had fun in the class, and it was rigorous. Or that's the list "smart" students came up with since i tend to study more than most of my classmates.

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    Who the hell likes to learn? I can take AP classes and pass with minimal effort

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    [Sarcasm] I can tell you why someone wouldn't value education: students who value knowledge and wish to be prosperous later in life. [/sarcasm]

    Wait no! Silly me. We're all immature little brats with no sense of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    [Sarcasm] I can tell you why someone wouldn't value education: students who value knowledge and wish to be prosperous later in life. [/sarcasm]

    Wait no! Silly me. We're all immature little brats with no sense of the world.
    If your goal is being prosperous in later life, then a couple decades of education is the stupid way to do it, when you can learn the con-game like a pro in a few weeks, and the most part of lying like a sociopath in a couple months. You'll make more in a year scamming people than you can in an entire lifetime with a Ph.D. And that's just the easy shit. I could train you in some basic combat tactics and the braod strokes of smuggling, and you can make six figures on a single drug run into Europe or America. Of course, you better like the heat and have no compunctions about killing cops, but for a few months of wiping sand out of your ass crack and dodging border patrols, you can retire and never work a day ever again.

    And for the true sociopath, there's always politics. Serve one term, and get a lifetime pension and benefits, not to mention all the bribes and kickbacks you can carry.

    Sorry kid, but an education is the sucker's way to get prosperous.
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    Yeah, I should attempt to end up on Wall Street and screw investors, cheat the system, and ruin people's lives. Sound tempting. But if I do what you want me to do, I won't be able to take my children to work with me. ):

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    Or you could always go into entertainment...somehow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    Yeah, I should attempt to end up on Wall Street and screw investors, cheat the system, and ruin people's lives. Sound tempting. But if I do what you want me to do, I won't be able to take my children to work with me. ):
    Why not? Kids can fire guns. In fact, they're a great choice, because most police and military units won't shoot a child... even an armed child... so child soldiers can be even more effective than adult ones.

    Of course, it is rather alarming that you'd actually want to have children of your own, considering how time consuming and expensive it is to raise kids in the modern world. If you really want a little person (or people) to waste your money, take up your time and fuck up your life, it's cheaper just to buy one. There are plenty of hell holes in the world where you can buy a kid for less than $500. Makes 9 grand for a KIA seem like a total rip off, huh?
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    But making them is just too much fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Why not? Kids can fire guns. In fact, they're a great choice, because most police and military units won't shoot a child... even an armed child... so child soldiers can be even more effective than adult ones.
    Have you read the Alex Rider series? Give it a read if you did not.

    Of course, it is rather alarming that you'd actually want to have children of your own, considering how time consuming and expensive it is to raise kids in the modern world. If you really want a little person (or people) to waste your money, take up your time and fuck up your life, it's cheaper just to buy one. There are plenty of hell holes in the world where you can buy a kid for less than $500. Makes 9 grand for a KIA seem like a total rip off, huh?
    Are you married? Do you really not want any kids? What's KIA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knux897 View Post
    But making them is just too much fun
    Buttsekz her! All the fun, none of the children...

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    Are you married? Do you really not want any kids?
    Fuck no. If I have an overwhelming urge to lose more than a million dollars, I'll just put it in a pile and light it on fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    What's KIA?
    A brand of cheap cars.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Buttsekz her! All the fun, none of the children...
    Actually semen can seep through the and enter the...yeah, i paid attention in Health.

    Fuck no. If I have an overwhelming urge to lose more than a million dollars, I'll just put it in a pile and light it on fire.
    LOL, there's something wrong with you. Has anyone ever hugged you? or have you love anyone?


    i lol'ed at the car with toys inside it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    Actually semen can seep through the and enter the...yeah, i paid attention in Health.
    Thats called a birthdefect.

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    Wait, why do i even listen to what my teachers say in health? Those who can't get a real job teach, those who are even dumber become gym/health teachers. Anyways, they also told me weed was addictive. What silly asshats.

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    The government has a nasty habit for exaggerating everything so as to keep you in their control...though I still disprove of weed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knux897 View Post
    The government has a nasty habit for exaggerating everything so as to keep you in their control...though I still disprove of weed
    The current government sucks so bad, but I happen to agree with the liberals more so than the conservatives at this point in time. But the reason as to why i don't take regulars or honors now is because:

    A] I want to stay away from cotton-pickers and burritos
    B] Regular teachers are just as stupid as the students they teach
    C] AP Teachers at least have some common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    Actually semen can seep through the and enter the...yeah, i paid attention in Health.
    Uh, well, you shouldn't have. Because that's absurd and definitely not true. Fuck, at least in my day teachers went through the effort of making their lies believable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    LOL, there's something wrong with you. Has anyone ever hugged you? or have you love anyone?
    Yes. And I still don't feel the need to throw away millions of dollars. Weird, huh?
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Uh, well, you shouldn't have. Because that's absurd and definitely not true. Fuck, at least in my day teachers went through the effort of making their lies believable.
    >_________________> I'm glad I say stupid things on this site instead of real life.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Yes. And I still don't feel the need to throw away millions of dollars. Weird, huh?

    I guess that's where our beliefs diverge. I've always thought that no matter how much money I made or how influential i became, my only lasting legacy would be my children. Frankly, I'd gladly spend such a large sum on them if it meant being loved the way i love my parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    I guess that's where our beliefs diverge. I've always thought that no matter how much money I made or how influential i became, my only lasting legacy would be my children. Frankly, I'd gladly spend such a large sum on them if it meant being loved the way i love my parents.
    Walt Disney seems to be more popular than his children no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Mage View Post
    Actually semen can seep through the and enter the...
    I'm hoping that you're joking and fearing that you aren't
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    I'm hoping that you're joking and fearing that you aren't
    I'm a noob at real life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knux897 View Post
    Walt Disney seems to be more popular than his children no?
    Thanks for pointing out the man who turned innocent children in white supremacists and I'm not striving or endeavoring to achieve global recognition. I'd rather not have historians dissect my life.

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