covid-19

[Aimless]

Speaking directly to the servile cretin demographic:

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[Steely Glint]

Regarding deaths: Barely, they're all at a very low base currently and deaths rose considerably faster in Germany than the UK today.

World	662,541	+66,175	30,839	+3,495	141,468	490,234	25,544	85.0	4.0	Jan 10
Italy	92,472	+5,974	10,023	+889	12,384	70,065	3,856	1,529	166	Jan 29
Spain	73,235	+7,516	5,982	+844	12,285	54,968	4,165	1,566	128	Jan 30
USA	123,311	+19,185	2,211	+515	3,231	117,869	2,666	373	7	Jan 20
France	37,575	+4,611	2,314	+319	5,700	29,561	4,273	576	35	Jan 23
UK	17,089	+2,546	1,019	+260	135	15,935	163	252	15	Jan 30
Iran	35,408	+3,076	2,517	+139	11,679	21,212	3,206	422	30	Feb 18
Netherlands	9,762	+1,159	639	+93	3	9,120	914	570	37	Feb 26
Germany	57,695	+6,824	433	+82	8,481	48,781	1,581	689	5	Jan 26
Belgium	9,134	+1,850	353	+64	1,063	7,718	789	788	30	Feb 03
Switzerland	14,076	+1,148	264	+33	1,530	12,282	301	1,626	31	Feb 24

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sorted by new death's today.

[RandBlade]

My apologies, I must have misread the table. Its late, goodnight.

[Steely Glint]

Don't apologize to me, apologize to the corona virus.

[Steely Glint]

The UK having a higher per capita rate of testing depends on what the other countries the news source decided to cherry pick for their graph are, the purpose of which is to show how bad the US is failing at this. I (can't be bothered to) find a full data set that's easily sortable.

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[Steely Glint]

The UK having a higher per capita rate of testing depends on what the other countries the news source decided to cherry pick for their graph are, the purpose of which is to show how bad the US is failing at this. I (can't be bothered to) find a full data set that's easily

Funny story.

Coronavirus: Health experts 'frustrated' by low UK virus testing

[RandBlade]

Funny story.

Coronavirus: Health experts 'frustrated' by low UK virus testing

I agree with you 100% on this. What was a strength has absolutely now become a major weakness.

There is a global shortage of reagents etc to produce tests but everything must be done to ramp up production. Also PHE must decentralise it.

Just as there was an effort to ramp up production of ventilators which extended to companies that had never previously done it including the likes of Dyson and McClaren etc the same should happen with testing. Whatever can be done should be mobilised to ramp up testing as fast as possible.

[RandBlade]

You're struggling to comprehend the difference between tactics and strategy Aimless.

[Aimless]

You're struggling to comprehend the difference between tactics and strategy Aimless.

RB, you're genuinely derping up the conversation with your every post. You do not know what you're talking about, are frequently mistaken about the basic facts that are being discussed—even about simple things like what has actually happened and when—and are continuously making extremely silly analytical mistakes. Look, I understand that you have beliefs and opinions, but, mate, you're just plain wrong. About basic things as well as more complex things. With your inane remark about tactics vs. strategy, you're only demonstrating—once again—that you do not understand what you're talking about. If you try to elaborate on the point you think you're making, your lack of understanding will become more clear.

[RandBlade]

RB, you're genuinely derping up the conversation with your every post. You do not know what you're talking about, are frequently mistaken about the basic facts that are being discussed—even about simple things like what has actually happened and when—and are continuously making extremely silly analytical mistakes. Look, I understand that you have beliefs and opinions, but, mate, you're just plain wrong. About basic things as well as more complex things. With your inane remark about tactics vs. strategy, you're only demonstrating—once again—that you do not understand what you're talking about. If you try to elaborate on the point you think you're making, your lack of understanding will become more clear.

The strategy was one of suppression and they made that very clear.

They didn't implement the tactic of prematurely closing schools and they explained why and explained doing so without the right precautions would make suppression worse not better. That made sense and still does.

You are making the logical fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done."

Let's break this down into smaller parts. Do you agree with the logic that if prematurely shutting schools will make spread of the virus worse then it would be wrong to prematurely shut schools?

Forget for a second your preconceptions of whether shutting schools is a good idea - if it makes the spread of the virus worse then is it a good or bad idea? Yes or no?

[Aimless]

The strategy was one of suppression and they made that very clear.

They didn't implement the tactic of prematurely closing schools and they explained why and explained doing so without the right precautions would make suppression worse not better. That made sense and still does.

You are making the logical fallacy of "something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done."

Let's break this down into smaller parts. Do you agree with the logic that if prematurely shutting schools will make spread of the virus worse then it would be wrong to prematurely shut schools?

Forget for a second your preconceptions of whether shutting schools is a good idea - if it makes the spread of the virus worse then is it a good or bad idea? Yes or no?

See my previous response to this inane argument (aka. stupid dilemma), as well as to the specious claim that the UK was pursuing a strategy of suppression when your govt. was explicitly not pursuing that goal at the critical stage of the epidemic when suppression was feasible:

Vallance said the government’s approach was aimed at broadening the peak of the epidemic, and allowing immunity to build up among the population.

“What we don’t want is everybody to end up getting it in a short period of time so we swamp and overwhelm NHS services – that’s the flattening of the peak,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.”

“If you suppress something very, very hard, when you release those measures it bounces back and it bounces back at the wrong time,” he said. The government is concerned that if not enough people catch the virus now, it will re-emerge in the winter, when the NHS is already overstretched.

Classic RB.

[Khendraja'aro]

https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/

This gives a rather better overview on where your country currently is on the curve. Explanation on how this graph works can be found under the "Learn more" link at the top.

[Ominous Gamer]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom: Ventilators Sent by Feds Didn’t Work
https://www.thedailybeast.com/califo...eds-didnt-work
Because of course

[RandBlade]

Broadening the peak (aka flattening the curve) IS a policy of suppression. Suppressing it completely is something else entirely and leaves you vulnerable to a second wave - potentially in the winter where you're more stretched.

[Aimless]

Broadening the peak (aka flattening the curve) IS a policy of suppression. Suppressing it completely is something else entirely and leaves you vulnerable to a second wave - potentially in the winter where you're more stretched.

Please stop pulling nonsense out of your ass, and please stop trying to make up definitions for terminology that already has a recognized meaning. Read the background. Read the reports and recommendations. More importantly, read quotes before making up nonsense about what they mean. The intent expressed in that quote is very clear, and that intent is not compatible with a strategy of suppression. I see your compulsive need to beclown yourself in (unsolicited) service remains as strong as ever, but it's just getting silly now.

Even if we accept your stupid attempt at sophistry wrt what a strategy of suppression entails in this context (and you are, in fact, wrong about this), this the rest of the quote:

Our aim is to [...] build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.

That is not a goal of a strategy of suppression at this stage. It is, in fact, incompatible with suppression. Just... just fucking read.

[RandBlade]

Yes, some kind of herd immunity by suppressing the virus and flattening the curve. They were explicitly clear.

[Aimless]

Yes, some kind of herd immunity by suppressing the virus and flattening the curve. They were explicitly clear.

That is not in fact what a strategy of suppression is, in the context of this subject and this discussion; it is, however, the core of a strategy of mitigation. Please inform yourself about these strategies first, and then we can have an informed conversation. You can begin here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

Even if you only read just one paragraph of the summary, it might help you stop saying stupid things.

[Hazir]

That is not in fact what a strategy of suppression is, in the context of this subject and this discussion; it is, however, the core of a strategy of mitigation. Please inform yourself about these strategies first, and then we can have an informed conversation. You can begin here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

Even if you only read just one paragraph of the summary, it might help you stop saying stupid things.

Aimless, I have to ask : why do you keep trying? I mean, you have better things to do than trying to make people who live in a world of their own understand that suppression and herd immunity as a policy are incompatible.

Update; the UK will not be able to upscale it's number of ventilators to the level needed during the surge which is expected in two weeks from now.

[Aimless]

Everyone needs a hobby or distraction; this, unfortunately, is mine. In other covid news, trust in the Swedish ministry of public health - and in the regional health trusts that run most of our healthcare system - is rapidly eroding, due to a series of increasingly dubious announcements & recs re. PPE and covid-related routines. This is a major problem even if the ministry and the trusts are right (although it's likely they aren't), because the worry and distrust is going to have a negative impact on healthcare personnel's ability to work effectively, and obv. also have a negative impact on their mental health. Attrition due to burnout and resentment may end up being far greater than that due to covid itself, by the time this crisis passes.

It'll be interesting to see whether anyone makes any major headway with the therapeutic use of convalescent plasma.

[Being]

In the interest of posterity, I predict this pandemic will produce a degree of stagflation never seen in recorded history. Prices will soar and wages will stagnate. Wealth inequality will increase and homelessness will become how we define poverty.

[GGT]

In the interest of posterity, I predict this pandemic will produce a degree of stagflation never seen in recorded history. Prices will soar and wages will stagnate. Wealth inequality will increase and homelessness will become how we define poverty.

That assumes the US cares about about income inequality, poverty, or the homeless.

But I agree that this pandemic will change almost everything.

[Being]

In the interest of posterity, I predict this pandemic will produce a degree of stagflation never seen in recorded history. Prices will soar and wages will stagnate. Wealth inequality will increase and homelessness will become how we define poverty.

Meat prices up 20%.

[Being]

In the interest of posterity, I predict this pandemic will produce a degree of stagflation never seen in recorded history. Prices will soar and wages will stagnate. Wealth inequality will increase and homelessness will become how we define poverty.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...OHQ?li=BBnbfcN

[EmperorNorton]

If anyone is curious as to where the next big outbreak will be...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/flo...tcx40WzFilfKF4

[Ominous Gamer]

FYI, that pastor is a pain in the ass to deal with and hides behind an army of lawyers, he also claims to have cured zika. Even with that, we managed to shutdown his evening service.

[Steely Glint]

Twitter Link

Momentous times.

[Hazir]

And then there's triage in the UK.

Possibly later today also in the Netherlands.

Saw an article about one of those aid agencies asking governments of developed countries to help out developing countries. I have this feeling that giving away equipment for the treatment of covid-19 cases may be not entirely popular in countries that are the usual donors.

[GGT]

And then there's triage in the UK.

Possibly later today also in the Netherlands.

And rationing of care, esp. vents. Disturbing reports that cancer patients are being put on a scale of longevity and told not to continue chemo. Same thing happening in outpatient clinics in the US, with cancer treatments on hold.

Saw an article about one of those aid agencies asking governments of developed countries to help out developing countries. I have this feeling that giving away equipment for the treatment of covid-19 cases may be not entirely popular in countries that are the usual donors.

Uganda has more cabinet members than ICU beds and vents. Also....India's 1.3 Billion people supposedly on lock down with no way to "social distance" among the poor.

[Ominous Gamer]

Thieves think everybody steals. Trump attacks nurses for equipment shortage.

[Aimless]

Thieves think everybody steals. Trump attacks nurses for equipment shortage.

The question is—as our resident genius and paragon of virtue pointed out—what any other president would've done differently. I mean surely this is the expected standard of grotesque shitbaggery leadership?